Kickbot banwave?

[Rainyhealz]

This literally has to stop. I cannot go a day without running into at least 12 kickbots in 5v5's 3v3's and rated battlegrounds. No matter how many character reports my team and I send, nothing gets done. I honestly think blizzard is scared to ban kickbotters because they would lose 30% of the pvp player subscription. I'm not exaggerating. I do not agree with cheating. And Blizzard standing by doing nothing about it, is just as worse.

[Mystile]

They do ban waves, and they don't lose 30% of their subs.You are exaggerating. Grats on realm first mythic Archimonde. No one cares if you've been a player since original wow.

So, top #1 player in world: if you actually kept up with anything you know Blizzard does ban waves. They don't ban everyone right away, because that's stupid. Bots can change how they're programmed easily and become undetectable.

[Tjur]

I agree there should be more done about PvP grieving and bots in general..

But what does the rest of your post have to do with anything? Realm First Mythic Archimonde... Player since vanilla..

Way to go?

[Rainyhealz]

If you pvp daily, you would understand 2k and above players, 30% of them kickbot. and second, undetectable? when the cast time is .1 sec before a kick in the logs? please kid.

[Unholyground]

Bots are very hard to combat, only real way to combat them would be if Blizzard made their own payed botting service where your character became an NPC when you logged out and be similar to a garrison follower but could do a lot more.

[Mystile]

If you pvp daily, you would understand 2k and above players, 30% of them kickbot. and second, undetectable? when the cast time is .1 sec before a kick in the logs? please kid.

Thanks for proving you have no idea how the whole ban wave process goes. Since you're not capable of thought, I'll let you in on it. Basically, you let the bots do their own shit for a time, you get reports from players saying "hey, Xyz is a kick bot, I hate this guy." They start tracking that player. They identify whether or not they're botting or if you're complaining about how you were outplayed. If the person is botting they continue to track them, figuring how how the program works. Then they update their system to essentially break the bot. A ban wave goes out for all the other people using that bot (and also other bots, because we all know there are always multiple different programs out there.)

Kid.

[Tyrean]

I actually thought that the reason it is so bad right now is all a legal matter. To my understanding, the current bots don't inject in anyway so they cannot be detected in a "legal" way by Blizzard. There is current litigation challenging this so that Blizzard can use information gathered about bots as grounds to terminate contract. (bans)

I think you should be able to read about it yourself by searching google for Blizzard legal.

Essentially Blizzard has their hands tied by current litigation on this front. In the past it was totally that they would ban in waves to keep ahead in the arms race against the botters, but over the last couple of years it has morphed into a legal battle over privacy, code intellectual property, etc.

Don't expect anything to be done in the near future. At this point the only way it will stop is if the community stops playing with people that bot. Since Blizzard can't police it, we are forced to police it ourselves, which will also probably never happen.

[Nightstorm]

If they ditched the 32 bit client it would do worlds to help eliminate bots. 64 bit would be a nightmare to code a bot for.

[Unholyground]

If they ditched the 32 bit client it would do worlds to help eliminate bots. 64 bit would be a nightmare to code a bot for.

Everything server side would still be 32 bit though, their core was built on 32 and they cannot change it unless they make a new engine.

[maxiixam]

If they ditched the 32 bit client it would do worlds to help eliminate bots. 64 bit would be a nightmare to code a bot for.

To be honest, quite a few bots out there work 100% in 64 bit. They tackled that years ago when it first came out. Just sayin.

[Amraelic]

I've got 28,000 HKs until I get "of the Alliance/Horde". I'll never get the title. Why?

Because I refuse to PVP in this game anymore. The botting and cheating reached critical mass at the end of MoP and exploded in WoD. I couldn't do 3 Arena matches without someone insta-kicking casts. And when I say Insta... I mean as soon as I hit the cast button, I'm silenced 6 seconds.

These ban-waves are apparently either ineffective, or temporary, as within weeks, it starts back up.

When a game requires cheats to play effectively, it's not a game of skill anymore, but who has the latest mods/hacks/cheats. This has been the case for FPS games since Doom... but the multiplayer was free... WoW is not. I'd rather make better use of my paid game time than give conquest/honor to cheaters.

[Deleted]

This literally has to stop. I cannot go a day without running into at least 12 kickbots in 5v5's 3v3's and rated battlegrounds. No matter how many character reports my team and I send, nothing gets done. I honestly think blizzard is scared to ban kickbotters because they would lose 30% of the pvp player subscription. I'm not exaggerating. I do not agree with cheating. And Blizzard standing by doing nothing about it, is just as worse.

2 days of pvping after a long break and I'm on the verge of quitting with 26 days on the clock. If I weren't for destroying the game that I once loved, it would almost be humorous how Blizzard gives zero shits about the most blatant botting and cheating in pvp.

It's really absurd...

[Nightstorm]

It's across all Blizzard games, I quit wow pop due to bots, went to D3 and the bots are rampant, Heroes of the storm it's the same thing. I play a character that buffs other players and follows their character around. The bots follow dots on the ground and always back track to the most recent point. It's obvious who is betting and I find about 20%-30% at least are botting. I am told Riot bans people instantly when batting and they are one of if not they most successful games. So why does blizzard not follow suite?

[Sencha]

That's why I stopped doing BGs.

[dacoolist]

I feel that Blizzard is getting a handle on these botts, but obviously - more can be done. I can't imagine the system being automated on a 1-3-6-9-12-18 month or perma ban for something like this. I would feel that most likely, the bans have to be looked at by a person with note so that if that person, that's been playing for 11.25 years calls in super angry, they have an exact text about what happened.

It's a rough sell, they lost the lawsuit to that honorbuddy shit, so they've been banning people left and right lately, pretty nuts.

I remember the week the botts were unbanned after the 6 month 350,000 ban wave - and when they resubbed, I remember the insane amounts of auto kicks, hacks, botts, and hillariously enough - the wow token that was 23,500 shot up to 48,500 in 24 hours. Then two days later they all got hit with 1.5 year bans.. Blizzard cares, they just can't auto ban people though, they have to have someone make sure the ban is legit first - this takes time.

[Waffen]

It's across all Blizzard games, I quit wow pop due to bots, went to D3 and the bots are rampant, Heroes of the storm it's the same thing. I play a character that buffs other players and follows their character around. The bots follow dots on the ground and always back track to the most recent point. It's obvious who is betting and I find about 20%-30% at least are botting. I am told Riot bans people instantly when batting and they are one of if not they most successful games. So why does blizzard not follow suite?

Thought Riot doesn't actually ban them, but instead puts them in a "separate" League that consists only of cheaters/botters?It is kinda like a shadowban, but doesn't reveal to the cheating player that they've actually been banned.

[Deleted]

It's across all Blizzard games, I quit wow pop due to bots, went to D3 and the bots are rampant, Heroes of the storm it's the same thing. I play a character that buffs other players and follows their character around. The bots follow dots on the ground and always back track to the most recent point. It's obvious who is betting and I find about 20%-30% at least are botting. I am told Riot bans people instantly when batting and they are one of if not they most successful games. So why does blizzard not follow suite?

My cynical side says it's because they are at a point (low actual player numbers, high cheating/botting %, etc) where if they actually did a proper honest banwave they could server-merge servers into 1 server per continent right after. The 1 russian player that wasn't banned can join the EU realm for all I care.
IMO they are living off WoW's former glory and are doing everything to uphold that picture to the outside, so perceived player numbers > game integrity.

Also cheaters pay money, they are super invested into the game obviously. I don't trust Blizzard to not be able to detect bots/cheats better*. IMO they chose accepting cheaters and losing some honest players over banning cheaters. It would fit their overall shady business practices as of late.

/tinfoilhatandracism

/edit: Temp ban for cheating... I stopped trying to understand what is going on in this company...

[bawwy]

i hope they find solution for bot's

[Numbgamer91]

Yeah it's a constant battle between hackers and devs. Hopefully there is some new tech in legion that makes it easier to detect overall, but I doubt it will be that simple. Maybe they just need to increase the frequency in ban waves?
At least in the higher mmrs you don't see it as much relatively.

[Osmeric]

Fighting botting is one of the few reasons I can think of for supporting the various international trade agreements currently being negotiated.