we r getting flamestrike Free and no cast on each Heating up. so we should cycle the pyro > flmaestrike on some bosses like (xul) when hes going too summon imps we will use the free flamestrike. otherwise still pyro is main spell (its still not worth on casting it! i hope blizzard change it too channeling spell)
at the end.. i test alot on beta.. The new fire mage with combustion change is the old arcane mage with hard Burst dmg and good cleave on 3+ targets..
the spec is weak on 3 target dmg.. and good on singe or 4+ since cinderstrom and flamepatch is really strong AOE dmg.. plus the flamestrike free.
for example u can cycle the spam free flamestrike on hands in kormrok feels like UR A GOD !
Yeah, I forgot to upload logs on my lunch break, but i'll do it here in the next hour and take a look to see what I'm getting.
..What? Pyro is almost universally better, especially with Class trinket since you'll be using FB anyways. No reason to waste HU on Flamestirke.
The rest of your post confuses me.
Class trinket isn't relevant (except that it means we have Flame Patch rather than Living Bomb) - you're going to spend all your FB charges regardless of whether you dump Hot Streak on Pyro or Flamestrike. The question is when does a Flamestrike + Flame Patch outdamage a Pyroblast (plus the partial extra pyroblast from potential heating up). My guess based on how strong Flame Patch atm is swap at 3 or 4 targets. Easy enough to check via some sims - if I wasn't moving this week I'd do it but I am so someone else can.
Rinoa's guide on AT suggested Flamestrike > Pyro on 3+ targets, but doesn't mention if that's with or without Flame Patch.
Looking at my damage inside cds on Iron Reaver last week, my average Pyroblast was 170k + Ignite and each Flamestrike+Flame Patch did 370k + Ignite on ~65k of that. Outside cds a Flamestrike + Flame Patch was 38k (+ Ignite) + 83k vs a Pyro at 63k + Ignite.
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Alright in regards to how often Flamestrike is actually proccing:
Fel Lord 14 FS vs 18 FB's 77% of them.
Tyrant 31 FS vs 33 FB's, 94% (rounded up).
Also while combing through various logs, WCL skews everything if you ever hard cast one of them, then that "1" cast equals all of the casts you did, throughout the entire fight, As an example
Last edited by Djriff; 2016-07-26 at 10:25 PM.
That's why I cap myself at 15 seconds so i'll have Flame on and a Charge of RoP for the next ring. Flame on is on a 45s CD and RoP is 40s per charge. So on my first combustion on pull with ring + lust i'll use 2 RoP and Flame on during my opening burst. Then i'll use FB as HU procs to get my free Pyro. Once Flame On comes close to coming off CD i'll bank my charges then drop RoP the second I get a HU proc and cast FB -> Pyro -> FB -> Pyro (If HS, ortherwise Flame On -> Fireball -> FB -> Pyro) -> FB -> Pyro.
That gives me a little bit of mini burst which could work with the right amount of crit and IS reliant on RNG, but idk how else to handle RoP charges outside of Combustion and it works for me.
so ur saying we have too use PB instead of Free FS on 4+ targets when the debuffs is not spreading on our command and the only ignite is spreading auto..
and about the class trinket (we r talking about future rotation for Legion Expansion (no class trinket there)
Exacly ..
Been testing out some different openers in beta with full artifact talents, 802ilvl pvp gear.
Been getting better results with: Pre-pyro(crit)>PF>RoP/Comb>Cinderstorm>Pyro/FB>Pyro/FB>FO>Pyro/FB>Pyro/FB>Pyro>PF>Pyro.
I was netting on average 500k-800K more damage than the normal opener i was using, this i think is down to Cinderstorm not only hitting harder than any of our spells when you land 6 cinders but it stacks the Pyretic Incantation trait to max crit damage in one cast meaning that your pyro chain is already doing 28% more crit damage when you start it.
Combustion does fall off before you get the last pyro out, but even still the cumulative damage of all the other pyros hitting harder makes up and overtakes the damage lost and if it crits(bearing in mind i was only in 802 gear with 27% crit) it is a big damage increase as there is nothing stopping you dropping another ring and continuing the crit string with PF and FB which is coming off cooldown by then.
Beginning to really like cinderstorm now it seems like it has more indepth uses than just awkward high aoe damage.
Do you even realize how broken flame patch currently is on pre-patch? Wether or not your class trinket procs it aswell, there is no such thing as "wasting" HU procs on FS on anything that isn't single target. Saying that Pyro is universally better just because you have the class trinket that "procs it anyways" is the dumbest shit i've read today.What? Pyro is almost universally better, especially with Class trinket since you'll be using FB anyways. No reason to waste HU on Flamestirke.
Boomkin/Mage/Whatever in Fatsharkyes
When I get a HU proc while I'm casting a Fireball, should I be canceling that cast for Phoenix Flame? Example:
Complete Fireball cast #1
Buffered Fireball cast #2 starts
Fireball #1 lands and crits
I've found that if I finish Fireball #2 and hit Phoenix Flame, I often (always?) lose the HU because the Fireball registers first.