The Ebon Blade's new Four Horsemen (massive spoilers)

[Unholyground]

erm... ye....
we know that for a few weeks already.

I called it wayyyyy back after they announced new horsemen when people were like "NO NO NO THAN CAAAANNNNNT HAPPPENNNSS OMG YOUR STUPIDS" lmao

[Deleted]

Correct, it's a full-out attack on the Forsaken capital.

Two Death Knights sneaking through the sewers = full-out attack. OK.

[Traveler Voltin]

Two Death Knights sneaking through the sewers = full-out attack. OK.

still an attack and still an act of war.

[JTHMRulez1]

still an attack and still an act of war.

Undercity already had a member of the Ebon Blade cautive. Which is still, at the very least. A provocation. Lets not forget that the Ebon Blade also tried to get him out by peaceful means. And honestly i don't think that in the middle of a Legion invasion Sylvanas is gonna get pissed and is going to launch an all-out attack against Acherus just because they destroyed four ghouls and freed a prisioner that she just had alive to torture him even more.

[Northern Goblin]

still an attack and still an act of war.

Should have let him go when asked, it's just wasted resources sitting in a cage.

[Deleted]

still an attack and still an act of war.

The same technicality can be used with Koltira's arrest.

But that is off the point, it's about painting the Ebon Blade's assaults as full-out invasions when it's just an infiltration for prisoner rescue.

[Unholyground]

The same technicality can be used with Koltira's arrest.

But that is off the point, it's about painting the Ebon Blade's assaults as full-out invasions when it's just an infiltration for prisoner rescue.

Not much Sylvanis can do, the new horsemen have more power in their hands than she does in her whole body.

[Kallisto]

Are people forgetting that Koltira pledged himself to the Forsaken and essentially betrayed his position when he had outright victory in his grasp and didn't take it?

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Are people forgetting that Koltira pledged himself to the Forsaken and essentially betrayed his position when he had outright victory in his grasp and didn't take it?

Dual loyalties. Sylvanas had all the right to arrest him but the Ebon Blade also had the right to claim him back. Now, with the support of the Lich King, they have the opportunity for it.

[delus]

Galen dropping a line of text to snub Sylvanas check. Taking Forsaken out of undercity and saying that the ebon blade tried to negotiate Koltira's release and she will only be be minorly annoyed at the rescue check.

[JTHMRulez1]

Are people forgetting that Koltira pledged himself to the Forsaken and essentially betrayed his position when he had outright victory in his grasp and didn't take it?

He is still a member of the Ebon Blade. They had the right to claim him. Of course they didn't had the resources to take him back by the force.

[Verdugo]

He is still a member of the Ebon Blade. They had the right to claim him. Of course they didn't had the resources to take him back by the force.

Question is, why... He is a failure, what they want with him. Just so that Thassarian can have his fuckdoll back?

[JTHMRulez1]

Question is, why... He is a failure, what they want with him. Just so that Thassarian can have his fuckdoll back?

I don't know. Ask the PC. He is the one that accepted the quest because Thassarian conviced him.

[Northern Goblin]

A faction going to war with the Ebon Blade now would be committing suicide.

For alliance or horde factions it's a prolonged war against an army of undead elite shock troopers who are backed by the Lich King. The amount you'd need to commit will greatly hamper your ability to fight your other enemies. (Hell, you think two Death Knights breaking into the Undercity is bad for Sylvannas, should see what the Gilneans get up to in Legion)

For other independent factions they're outnumbered and outgunned. None have an ally like the Lich King.

The Ebon Blade are a politically neutral, pro Azeroth army of trained powerful killers, with a major investor bank rolling them. They don't care for politics, there's no malice in their actions. The ends justify the means and they get results.

Expecting people to eradicate them during or after Legion for it is wishful thinking and rather unrealistic. No one is stupid enough to go to all out war with them.

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Question is, why... He is a failure, what they want with him. Just so that Thassarian can have his fuckdoll back?

He's a skilled Death Knight with combat experience against the Scourge before and after death. Why wouldn't you want him if opportunity provides itself?

[Kallisto]

He is still a member of the Ebon Blade. They had the right to claim him. Of course they didn't had the resources to take him back by the force.

he can be a member of the my little pony happy go lucky society. But the moment he joined the forsaken Sylvanas became his absolute ruler above all others. The moment he betrayed his position he needed to be punished.

Look I agree if he has a use when fighting the legion they should get him, but talking as if she had no right to hold him in a prison to rot is just dumb too.

[Northern Goblin]

Sure, but the minute shit hits the fan and you need skilled fighters, keeping one in a cage is pretty fucking dumb.

A fair number of things are going on while Sylvannas is away it seems.

[JTHMRulez1]

he can be a member of the my little pony happy go lucky society.

The difference is that My Little Pony Happy Go Lucky Society don't have skilled warriors that can get you out of jail.
Also. The MLPHGLS isn't a faction in its own right.

But the moment he joined the forsaken Sylvanas became his absolute ruler above all others. The moment he betrayed his position he needed to be punished.

Exactly when Sylvanas became his absolute ruler?
Koltira was still part of the Knights of the Ebon Blade and Darion was still his leader. Darion still had the right to claim him because he is part of his organization. The problem is that Darion didn't have the strength to back up his claims so Sylvanas tell him to fuck off. But if the Ebon Blade decided that Koltira didn't deserve such punishment they could just take him out. And that's precisely what they did

but talking as if she had no right to hold him in a prison to rot is just dumb too.

I'm not saying that she didn't had the right to put him in prision. I'm saying that The Knights of the Ebon Blade still had the right of claim him as part of their order.

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(Hell, you think two Death Knights breaking into the Undercity is bad for Sylvannas, should see what the Gilneans get up to in Legion)

what do you mean? genn tried to stop sylvanas and achieved it but only temporary

[Northern Goblin]

what do you mean? genn tried to stop sylvanas and achieved it but only temporary

There's a quest in Legion where Crowley finds out that Sylvannas recommited the Forsaken Navy to the broken shore, and decides this is the perfect time to take advantage.

[Graden]

There's a quest in Legion where Crowley finds out that Sylvannas recommited the Forsaken Navy to the broken shore, and decides this is the perfect time to take advantage.

Wait - Crowley who? Darius, or his daughter?