Good Samaritan shot while trying to stop a stabbing.

[TITAN308]

http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/...bbing/38147530

Police said a 59-year-old man who saw Petersen being attacked tried to step and stop it. However, the attacker then pulled out a gun and shot him.

Both men were then taken to the hospital.

Police said Petersen died at the hospital. The good Samaritan was treated and is expected to survive.

The suspect, identified as 59-year-old Rafael Watts, was caught nearby shortly after the incident, police said.

So the question posed is this. Do you run away and try and find help, by which time surely the person being stabbed would be dead for sure, or...

1. Enter hand to hand combat with someone wielding a knife

2. If you are carrying a gun, use it to stop the threat of the attacker up to and including justified homicide

3. Rape Whistle, yell in your biggest big boy voice, fan your arms like a peacock in an attempt to scare the attacker

In a world without guns how could a Good Samaritan handle this situation without, as you can see, basically becoming a victim himself and without running away to leave a fellow citizen to die?

[Rukh]

This thread is now about finding your best unlikely scenario that makes your personal beliefs the best solution.

[TITAN308]

This thread is now about finding your best unlikely scenario that makes your personal beliefs the best solution.

I put an 'other option' for someone to voice an opinion if one of the choices doesn't cover everything.

If you have a better idea I am all ears.

[Krille]

http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/...bbing/38147530



So the question posed is this. Do you run away and try and find help, by which time surely the person being stabbed would be dead for sure, or...

1. Enter hand to hand combat with someone wielding a knife

2. If you are carrying a gun, use it to stop the threat of the attacker up to and including justified homicide

3. Rape Whistle, yell in your biggest big boy voice, fan your arms like a peacock in an attempt to scare the attacker

In a world without guns how could a Good Samaritan handle this situation without, as you can see, basically becoming a victim himself and without running away to leave a fellow citizen to die?

Call the police. Can you get away with shooting him? In the leg perhaps? Would that save you? I think most of these things end badly.

[TITAN308]

Call the police. Can you get away with shooting him? In the leg perhaps? Would that save you? I think most of these things end badly.

If you call the police the victim dies.

If you shoot him in the leg, he draws his gun and you possibly die. Or maybe he gives up. Want to roll the dice?

[Krille]

If you call the police the victim dies.

Then there's no good answer. The man is armed with a knife and a gun, hardly anything you can do. You can't just justify shooting someone without knowing this.

[Skaiz]

I mean, i already conceal carry. So I guess i'm up to the plate to help the guy

[TITAN308]

Then there's no good answer. The man is armed with a knife and a gun, hardly anything you can do. You can't just justify shooting someone without knowing this.

You are already justified because he is stabbing someone with a knife, at that point knowing if he has a gun or not is irrelevant.

I would even go as far to say, even outside the USA, lethal force is justified in this case. Someone is being murdered.

[Krille]

You are already justified because he is stabbing someone with a knife, at that point knowing if he has a gun or not is irrelevant.

I would even go as far to say, even outside the USA, lethal force is justified in this case. Someone is being murdered.

People in general arent equipped with the reactions of a police officer and are able to see someone being murdered. There's always the hesitation to what's actually going on and you can't really hesitate for a second, then the guy is already dead. I'd call the cops and an ambulance and hope for the best. Sad to see this guy getting killed though, it's sad to see good people go away.

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[Lady Mormont]

Well this isnt the bloody Power Ranger, where we are only allowed to pull out a big boy weapons when the bad guys pull theirs out first. If I saw someone being attacked and had my firearm with me, I'd aim and shoot. Guy with a knife? Sure I'll enter hand to hand combat giving myself a disadvantage herp-derp. FYI The world aint full of sunshines and rainbows, we do not live in a utopian society.

[TITAN308]

*Something else: Make sure you're in a country where firearms are illegal so the chances of you running into a scenario like this are close to nil.

So if firearms did not exist you would enter hand to hand combat with someone armed with a knife? Did you read the article?

[babalou1]

You are already justified because he is stabbing someone with a knife, at that point knowing if he has a gun or not is irrelevant.

I would even go as far to say, even outside the USA, lethal force is justified in this case. Someone is being murdered.

"How dare you even consider trying to stop a crime. Better to run away and then call the cops.."

Bunch of little bitches here.

According to them, the right thing to do is nothing but call the police.

Im willing to bet if the article said "Good samaritan shot a man stabbing another to death", they would crucify the good samaritan and not the knife wielding attacker because guns are bad and should be banned.

EDIT: For edit sake, Im not calling you a bitch Titan.

*Something else: Make sure you're in a country where firearms are illegal so the chances of you running into a scenario like this are close to nil.

God damn.. Like making guns illegal is going to a) stop a guy from getting fucking stabbed to death or b) instantly make bad guys not able to get guns...

[Krille]

Well this isnt the bloody Power Ranger, where we are only allowed to pull out a big boy weapons when the bad guys pull theirs out first. If I saw someone being attacked and had my firearm with me, I'd aim and shoot. Guy with a knife? Sure I'll enter hand to hand combat giving myself a disadvantage herp-derp. FYI The world aint full of sunshines and rainbows, we do not live in a utopian society.

If everyone think this way it's going to have consequences, chances are you shoot someone innocent as to what seems as a deadly brawl at first sight.

[I Push Buttons]

Unless its very apparent who the victim is, I would just stand back and call the police.

If an aggressor begins the altercation and then gets their ass handed to them, and you intervene on their behalf thinking they are the victim getting their ass beat... You become an accessory to their crime.

I would probably only intervene if I could surprise them and take them from behind... I am not trying to get in a knife fight with my hands.

[Tsimp]

https://www.newscientist.com/article...ot-and-killed/

I wouldn't since you significantly increase the risk of harm both to yourself and the person you are trying to help.

[Krille]

"How dare you even consider trying to stop a crime. Better to run away and then call the cops.."

Bunch of little bitches here.

According to them, the right thing to do is nothing but call the police.

Im willing to bet if the article said "Good samaritan shot a man stabbing another to death", they would crucify the good samaritan and not the knife wielding attacker because guns are bad and should be banned.

"Bunch of bitches". I'll gladly be a bitch if lives are on stake. You can't assume you'd be some fucking CS:GO pro in reality when situations like these appear. Most normal people would freeze, now this guy was a former police officer so it was like duty to him.

[TITAN308]

I'm a little confused.

1. You don't mistake someone stabbing someone for something like, "Oh hey, is he drawing his portrait? Hmm"

2. The person getting stabbed isn't sitting there silently getting stabbed

3. It was 11am in the middle of the day.

4. It was clear enough that the Good Samaritan engaged the attacker

I would be more receptive to the hesitation argument if it was night time.

[Deleted]

in a clear scenario I'd gun the attacker down then call the ambulance and cops

but what if I run into someone defending himself from someone ?

if you're a bystander it can be hard to tell

so realistically speaking I'd call the cops and that'd be it, I'd rather let something bad happen than possibly kill an innocent

[babalou1]

"Bunch of bitches". I'll gladly be a bitch if lives are on stake. You can't assume you'd be some fucking CS:GO pro in reality when situations like these appear. Most normal people would freeze, now this guy was a former police officer so it was like duty to him.

Lives are at stake and you're going to run away from a man in a park actively stabbing another to death. That is being a bitch. Just pretend you didnt see something instead of making some token gesture of help by running away and THEN calling the police.. Help the guy, otherwise you might as well be an accomplice.

The guy is in a park. This isnt some bar brawl where you cant figure out whats going on. This is pretty clear. Guy getting attacked and stabbed, broad day light, in a park, near a school.

This isnt a crowded restaurant or street or club. This is a park in daylight. If you have a gun, you use it in defense of someones life. If you dont, you step in and try to help. You dont run the fuck away and then minutes later (because we all know your bitch ass will keep running) call the cops. You may as well have just pretended you didnt see it.