Gender Inequality regarding Sexual Assault

[pateuvasiliu]

More women than men get raped.

Wrong.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ual-abuse.html

[negawonka]

Wrong.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ual-abuse.html

That is the same article that he linked, the one that shows that 200k inmates a year are raped in prison as opposed to the 90k rape cases outside of prison. I am not saying those numbers are airtight, but that article does not a defense for you make

[Maltah]

Well, I'm just judging from what I see around myself. I personally am not afraid of being sexually assaulted late at night, walking in unsavory areas of my town. Being robbed, picked, etc. - yes, it is possible. Being sexually assaulted - doesn't even cross my mind. While, a woman walking in the same area at the same time of the day, apparently, will feel a bit different about it. Not saying sexual assaults against males don't take place, but I don't think it is a comparable issue.

Considering this is the rarest form of sexual assault... no, it wouldn't be very common among men. Stranger danger rape isn't even worth throwing into the mix for comparison's sake.

That is the same article that he linked, the one that shows that 200k inmates a year are raped in prison as opposed to the 90k rape cases outside of prison. I am not saying those numbers are airtight, but that article does not a defense for you make

Why? Because they're prisoners?

[negawonka]

Why? Because they're prisoners?

I think we are confusing each other.

According to those statistics more men are raped each year than women. You replied with a link to the very same article saying the word "wrong". I took that to mean you disagreed with the above poster and responded that using an article that shows he is right is not a good way to prove him wrong.

[Anonymous1038853]

I think we are confusing each other.

According to those statistics more men are raped each year than women. You replied with a link to the very same article saying the word "wrong". I took that to mean you disagreed with the above poster and responded that using an article that shows he is right is not a good way to prove him wrong.

I think you might be confusing posters, and responses. Maltah hasn't commented in this thread prior to the post you're regarding right now.

Also, pateuvasiliu wasn't disputing the post immediately above his. He and the above post are evidently in agreement.

[May90]

And part of recognizing and understanding the problem is realizing that both genders are effected and one should not be excluded from anything in regards to sexual assault.

Once again, we are not talking about "excluding" anything, we are talking about what problems to give priority to. It would be naive to say something like this, "Since both billionaires and homeless are sometimes hungry, we need to spend the same amount of resources on providing both billionaires and homeless with food". We have to prioritize problems. It is not exactly rocket science. Prioritizing doesn't mean ignoring some of the problems, but it does mean focusing on the more burning issues at the moment.

[Deleted]

Once again, we are not talking about "excluding" anything, we are talking about what problems to give priority to. It would be naive to say something like this, "Since both billionaires and homeless are sometimes hungry, we need to spend the same amount of resources on providing both billionaires and homeless with food".

Just to be clear, the male rape victims are the billionaires in this scenario yeah?

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Once again, we are not talking about "excluding" anything, we are talking about what problems to give priority to. It would be naive to say something like this, "Since both billionaires and homeless are sometimes hungry, we need to spend the same amount of resources on providing both billionaires and homeless with food". We have to prioritize problems. It is not exactly rocket science. Prioritizing doesn't mean ignoring some of the problems, but it does mean focusing on the more burning issues at the moment.

and this would be less asinine if it had any relation to reality.

[negawonka]

I think you might be confusing posters, and responses. Maltah hasn't commented in this thread prior to the post you're regarding right now.

Also, pateuvasiliu wasn't disputing the post immediately above his. He and the above post are evidently in agreement.

That seems to be the case, when you are at work and people come in you sometimes get confused.

I apologize to all involved .

[Deleted]

Because when it happens to a certain race and(or) gender more, it gets prioritized more. Girls are getting sexually assaulted more by boys, so it's not surprising that it's getting more attention.

I guess you can argue whether that's the right approach, but that's why it's happening.

oh you mean that 38% of victims is so small to not matter?

[May90]

Just to be clear, the male rape victims are the billionaires in this scenario yeah?

No, the billionaires are the billionaires in this scenario. I was merely illustrating the idea that various problems should be prioritized differently.

[Anonymous1038853]

That seems to be the case, when you are at work and people come in you sometimes get confused.

I apologize to all involved .

I can empathize. I have some degree of change blindness myself.

If not for display pictures, I would probably get confused a lot more often.

[Deleted]

Adam, was it the "Dear Daddy" ad? Just kind of curious, now.

No, I don't actually recall the campaigns name

[Anonymous1038853]

No, I don't actually recall the campaigns name

Right-o. I only took a guess because the aforementioned one has been making rounds, and espouses some messed up rhetoric.

[Deleted]

My place of work (A sixth form) has posters for male victims of any abuse, both public posters and toilet ones with a free staffed helpline as well.

Was interested when I saw it.

[Themius]

More women than men get raped.
We can deal with more than one problem at once.
An advertisement about rape on women does not mean that men don't get raped, or that there are no organizations/groups who oppose it.

Should "diversity" in the representation of gender specific crimes be forced?

Including rape in jail it's either more men, or about even.

Lots of men are raped lots of men have been sexually assaulted or molested. We can deal with both problems at the saame damn time.

Now advertisements about rape and women are quite frequent while advertisements about men are essentially non-existent I have never seen one, ever.

Frankly they could just show some words and explain sitautiosn in a few words without showing any gender.

[Zantos]

Unless that educated guess is based on credible statistics. Which was implied in what I said. But sure, let's argue semantics because that is the only way you can win the point when the facts are pretty much known.

Sadly, as others have pointed out several times, the statistics were Not known. No one knows what the statistics are, so we are not arguing semantics. The Facts are pretty much known, no one knows the real statistics.

Again, where the hell did I ever advocate exluding one gender?

I didn't imply you did, just that recognizing both genders is a crucial step that needs to be done. No separation at all in any of the programs going on to try to help victims defend themselves or raise awareness.

Awesome argument mate. Blame the victim, don't bother the perpetrator...

Falsely labeling my statement as victim blaming isn't helping your case. Its not victim blaming when its the truth. How do you help the victim not become a victim hopefully in the future? Tell them how to defend themselves and how to stay safe. The entire point is to make sure there are no victims. If the preparation and advice fail, and a victim is created, then you move to trying to catch the one who harmed them. That is a lot harder when the victim is afraid and too shy to come forward, and thus, they get no justice. Exactly like what happens to male victims.

Did it ever occur to you that there are two different problems? You don't have to undermine female victims to fix the problem facing males.

There is one problem, Sexual assault. Its not undermining females to include males. Its undermining the entire effort to exclude either gender. The information should be focused on both genders. However, right now, males need more attention then females. Males are struggling to come forward, and to be taken seriously. Females are not. The job is done as far as I am concerned to try to help Prevent sexual assault. Now we need to focusing on helping the victims. There are plenty of groups that help female victims, they are Well taken care of at this point. Its time to give males some attention.

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Once again, we are not talking about "excluding" anything, we are talking about what problems to give priority to. It would be naive to say something like this, "Since both billionaires and homeless are sometimes hungry, we need to spend the same amount of resources on providing both billionaires and homeless with food". We have to prioritize problems. It is not exactly rocket science. Prioritizing doesn't mean ignoring some of the problems, but it does mean focusing on the more burning issues at the moment.

And in my opinion, if that is the case, the thing needing to be prioritized right now is males being raped and sexually assaulted. Women have help groups that help them cope and come out. They are taken seriously, and in several cases, Too seriously just by hinting they were raped. Males are not.

[pateuvasiliu]

That is the same article that he linked, the one that shows that 200k inmates a year are raped in prison as opposed to the 90k rape cases outside of prison. I am not saying those numbers are airtight, but that article does not a defense for you make

How is that not an article in my defence when he says more women are raped and I link him an article that states the opposite?

[draganid]

Because when it happens to a certain race and(or) gender more, it gets prioritized more. Girls are getting sexually assaulted more by boys, so it's not surprising that it's getting more attention.

I guess you can argue whether that's the right approach, but that's why it's happening.

some pretty... weird shit happens in locker rooms either for gym class or sports teams every day and that if it happened to chicks it would be considered rape and sexual assault but with boys its an unofficial part of growing up

[Kaganfindel]

we are talking about what problems to give priority to.

That's the second time I've seen that turn of phrase. What exactly do you mean by "give priority?" Since you're making an argument for doing it based on the relative frequency of assaults against a specific sex, we should probably nail down what it means, yeah?