Men should have the right to ‘abort’ responsibility, Swedish political group says

[Deleted]

Good. Should be common place anyway, I respect the right for women to chose to have an abortion, but what I don't agree with, is the man having no say. It's a double standard.

There is no double standard. It would only be a double standard if both men and women were capable of giving birth.

[Mehrunes]

Abortion doesn't cost anywhere close to as much as a live child does, but if a woman is not using contraception and is having sex and gets an abortion then she's retarded for not using contraception.

Which I outright said in what you quoted and is irrelevant to the supposed issue you outlined.

[Noradin]

Accepting that would create a dangerous precedent. Many questions would arise: should the person's profession be up to the parents, for example? If not, then what makes circumcision different? An adult circumcised in the past cannot revert the change, so if something as fundamental as one's bodily autonomy is up to their parents, then, apparently, many other things should be up to the parents as well?

Rather than dealing with all these complications, how about we life the decision about circumcision up to the person, not to their parents / religion / authorities / etc.?

You should reread my post.
I clearly stated that I do not want anyone but the one who gets the circumcision to decide whether it happens or not.

[Deleted]

Are you saying that if a man is in a coma he should still be paying?

If he was before he went into coma, the woman would still be able to get money for that here.

How about if he legitimately doesn't have the funds?

The state steps in and pays but you're expected to pay it back.

[Raelbo]

There is no double standard. It would only be a double standard if both men and women were capable of giving birth.

Oi! Who gave you permission to bring logic and reason into this debate?

[Mehrunes]

Accepting that would create a dangerous precedent. Many questions would arise: should the person's profession be up to the parents, for example? If not, then what makes circumcision different? An adult circumcised in the past cannot revert the change, so if something as fundamental as one's bodily autonomy is up to their parents, then, apparently, many other things should be up to the parents as well?

Rather than dealing with all these complications, how about we life the decision about circumcision up to the person, not to their parents / religion / authorities / etc.?

Considering that Noradin was against circumcision of children done at the whims of parents, "accepting that" would not result in anything you said.

[Deleted]

I find it interesting that you should mention that I am trying to guilt trip you, because that was certainly not my intention. And if it was my intention would I actually have any chance of succeeding?

Not me, but generally that is what your argumentation is, feels, they feels bads. That is not an argument, it is an emotional appeal. The fact that you think im some sort of psychopath makes it very clear that you do not want to think what is logical, but rather what feels good.
I hate to inform you but life isn't all rainbows an unicorns, you should not get all emotional because of that, but you should try and look past your feelings to a good solution.

[negawonka]

There is no double standard. It would only be a double standard if both men and women were capable of giving birth.

So because of a trait set at birth a person should receive unequal treatment under the law? Just so I am clear.

[Deleted]

So because of a trait set at birth a person should receive unequal treatment under the law? Just so I am clear.

You're not receiving unequal treatment under the law. Men have the same right to abort as a woman does, you just can't get pregnant. Women can't skip out on child support, just like men can't.

[negawonka]

You're not receiving unequal treatment under the law. Men have the same right to abort as a woman does, you just can't get pregnant.

Kay. So if a country make a law that settles all political contests with a wang measuring contest that isn't unequal right? Women have the same right as men to participate in that, they just don't have them.

[Deleted]

Kay. So if a country make a law that settles all political contests with a wang measuring contest that isn't unequal right? Women have the same right as men to participate in that, they just don't have them.

This is just getting ridiculous. You want more rights than what women have, women can't skip out on paying child support, yet you want men to be able to. That's not equality.

[Noradin]

This is just getting ridiculous.

Good to know that you agree

[Xanjori]

Kay. So if a country make a law that settles all political contests with a wang measuring contest that isn't unequal right? Women have the same right as men to participate in that, they just don't have them.

Yes, because how much action do you think those big dicks will be seeing if they don't do what the women tell them?

[Deleted]

This is just getting ridiculous. You want more rights than what women have, women can't skip out on paying child support either, yet you want men to be able to. That's not equality.

No, woman would have this same right, it is just that they can't impregnate someone. Just like abortion is "for men too".

[Deleted]

No, woman would have this same right, it is just that they can't impregnate someone. Just like abortion is "for men too".

No, they're not going to be able to skip out on paying child support. Men would be. Neither men or women should be able to skip out on paying child support.

[Xanjori]

No, woman would have this same right, it is just that they can't impregnate someone. Just like abortion is "for men too".

But they don't.

Women have the right to control over their own body. Once the fetus is 22 weeks (I think) the woman loses that right. She cannot get an abortion, physical or financial. Once the child is born the woman has no rights to a financial abortion.

[May90]

You should reread my post.
I clearly stated that I do not want anyone but the one who gets the circumcision to decide whether it happens or not.

Oh, sorry, I read "shouldn't" as "should" for some reason.

[Deleted]

But they don't.

Women have the right to control over their own body. Once the fetus is 22 weeks (I think) the woman loses that right. She cannot get an abortion, physical or financial. Once the child is born the woman has no rights to a financial abortion.

No, but neither would the man, that is just arguing semantics. Simply the man should have as long as a time to think about it as a woman. And once it is born neither would a man have the right to an financial abortion. You are trying to make something harder then it is.

[negawonka]

This is just getting ridiculous. You want more rights than what women have, women can't skip out on paying child support, yet you want men to be able to. That's not equality.

Nope not more rights. Actually I was unaware that women couldn't skip out on paying child support in your country by putting the child up for adoption. They can however avoid paying it by getting an abortion which is essentially free to them. I accept that biologically men can't get an abortion so as a result the law cannot apply to both genders exactly the same in this case. Since one has a biological advantage we should either structure our society to make that biological difference irrelevant or compensate the other gender for the disadvantage they receive at birth to bring both genders to equality in this respect.

I think the best one is to restructure our society and just make it so there is no child support period and if those in custody of the child can't be supported they are taken away by the state. I also think there are probably other ways to fix the problem, but saying that there is no problem when there clearly is one is not helpful to any country.

[Deleted]

No, they're not going to be able to skip out on paying child support. Men would be. Neither men or women should be able to skip out on paying child support.

Woman would be able to do that too, if she had impregnated her partner and she didnt want the child but the partner she impregnated did.