Rape kit system unnecessary since most accusations false, Idaho sheriff says

[Independent voter]

Okay, what year is this? Far as I know the only study that has been done on false rape charges was in Australia were they found that 1 out of 50 accusations was false enough so that police would pursue charges. My hunch is this is true, don't go out with anyone who seems crazy.


http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...essary_si.html

An Idaho sheriff says the Legislature shouldn't have gotten involved in creating a statewide system for collecting and tracking rape kits because many rape accusations are false.

The state lawmaker who introduced the bill immediately denounced the comments.

Bingham County Sheriff Craig Rowland made the comments Monday to Idaho Falls TV station KIDK before lawmakers unanimously approved the new system and sent the measure to the governor.

The bill would require medical clinics to use rape kits to collect forensic evidence after a suspected sexual assault. The clinics would then have to send the evidence for DNA testing, unless the victim requests otherwise or law enforcement agencies get prosecutors' approval to not test the kits.

Rape kits contain samples of semen, saliva or blood taken from a victim during an examination. Specimens containing DNA evidence are uploaded to a national database to check for a match

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Honest question here but do they keep a record of false reports? I always see a bunch of different numbers that I suspect they are pulled out of peoples asses at this point.

I would consider any rape case that does not end in a guilty verdict or a conviction to be false.

[Independent voter]

Honest question here but do they keep a record of false reports? I always see a bunch of different numbers that I suspect they are pulled out of peoples asses at this point.

I would consider any rape case that does not end in a guilty verdict or a conviction to be false.

Even in the "he said, she said" cases? Where there is not enough evidence? I would consider those a draw at least.

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I would consider any rape case that does not end in a guilty verdict or a conviction to be false.

Just rofl, how fucking stuck up are you?

[Rixis]

Innocent until proven guilty doesn't count in rape cases.

[Raldazzar]

Even in the "he said, she said" cases? Where there is not enough evidence? I would consider those a draw at least.

so you consider a case where there is NOT enough evidence, to be a draw? that's not remotely retarded... right there you lost ALL credibility.

if there isn't enough evidence to raise charges, in 2016, with all the technical shit we have in criminal forensics? then I call bullshit.

no hair/skin on the bed/clothing? no dna inside, no skin under the nails... etc etc.

I would wager the amount of cases that are simply dropped due to false claims is higher then gathered in any report. I mean, I assume these numbers are based on where charges are bought against the accuser after they find out it's false?

either way, this is going to go nowhere, some people are stupid enough to think every female deserves instant trust when they make these claims, not realizing that even a claim against a guy can ruin his life.. even if he did nothing wrong. people who expect the justice system countries and civilisations are founded on to break their 'innocent until proven guilty' status just for them!

idiocy.


~It's as stupid as that south african story about the woman who claims she was raped in the shower, but the dna evidence was 'washed away'... that's not how DNA works..

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Rep. Melissa Wintrow, a Democrat from Boise who introduced the bill, said the sheriff's remarks were harmful to women.

"Many times people are focused on a woman's behavior, and the victim's response," she said, "when we should be thinking about what are we teaching men in this society. What are we teaching young boys and men about how we should not initiate or cross any physical boundary without consent."

Complains about sherifs comment being harmfull to woman, than says something harmfull about man (even all man). -.-
This makes her completly unreliable.

Honest question here but do they keep a record of false reports? I always see a bunch of different numbers that I suspect they are pulled out of peoples asses at this point.

No idea about accusations. But did read that in america of the wrongfully convicted, rape is larger than all the others combined, statistic I beleive is from the wrongfully convicted program.
So that would support the sherifs claim more.
But I don't know about the reported rape cases. I imagine the vast majority would be a 'draw' because it's so hard to prove/disprove. But a draw is legally innocent i believe. I imaginey the worst rape has a high conviction rate but those also cause physical damage that require surgery.

[dwightyo39]

South Idaho is really just North Utah. We in the panhandle don't claim it.

[Mormolyce]

I guess that's the standard of sheriffs in Idaho. Depressing.

I would consider any rape case that does not end in a guilty verdict or a conviction to be false.

That's simply insufficient evidence to convict. Which is common in rape, one of the reasons its rate of report and prosecution is so low.

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Complains about sherifs comment being harmfull to woman, than says something harmfull about man (even all man). -.-
This makes her completly unreliable.

Or like, something with a basis in reality.

What percentage of rapists are male?

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Or like, something with a basis in reality.

What percentage of rapists are male?

What? She says putting doubt in rape is harmfull to woman, than says something that is harmfull to all man. How do you find social condeming one not okey but the other is fine?

On your second point: How much percentage of child murder is done by woman (...it's higher than man)
How much percentage of false rape claim is done by woman. Your not making a good argument here.

[Ryme]

Innocent until proven guilty doesn't count in rape cases.

It's a tough one. Whilst I will never falter from innocent until proven guilty, the current state of rape detection is really lacking. I'm not sure where the next step to go from there is, I don't think we should give more leeway to this crime, but it's not something you can ignore either.

[ItachiZaku]

Innocent until proven guilty doesn't count in rape cases.

lmao what?

[greeeed]

lmao what?

I guess he mean, everyone one will look at you as guilty until proven innocent in those type of cases.

[ItachiZaku]

I guess he mean, everyone one will look at you as guilty until proven innocent in those type of cases.

Which is completely crap and sexist.

[Masark]

if there isn't enough evidence to raise charges, in 2016, with all the technical shit we have in criminal forensics? then I call bullshit.

no hair/skin on the bed/clothing? no dna inside,

That can only establish "sex happened". It can't establish whether it was consensual or not, which brings us back to "he said, she said".

Sheriff Craig Rowland is an idiot and should be sacked.

Probably can't be sacked as he's probably elected and the jurisdiction is full of similar idiots.

[therealstegblob]

Or like, something with a basis in reality.

What percentage of rapists are male?

So in your logic, it's okay for someone to say something stereotypical and harmful to an entire group of people so long as skewed and unreliable numbers are in their favor?

Ah, alright.

[Ealyssa]

Just rofl, how fucking stuck up are you?

Cause you sound smart...

If not proven guilty, you arent guilty. Period. That's how the law works. And that's how statistic should be done. It's certainly not up to you to decide which innocent are guilty in reality, if a court couldn't prove it you aren't better than them.

Do some guilty rapist escape justice ? Sure, rape is not always easy to prove.
Are some innocents put in jail for rape ? Sure, again rape is hard to prove or disprove.

But if you want to talk about numbers you should talk about real numbers. Not some made up shit that fits your agenda.

[Teebone]

Isn't their state bird a potato and their state vegetable Dan Quayle? Or am I thinking Iowa? *googles*

Nope, Indiana. Fuck it. all those damn *I* states look the same to me.

[Shibito]

Isn't their state bird a potato and their state vegetable Dan Quayle? Or am I thinking Iowa? *googles*

Nope, Indiana. Fuck it. all those damn *I* states look the same to me.

Thats Statist!

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Cause you sound smart...

If not proven guilty, you arent guilty. Period. That's how the law works. And that's how statistic should be done. It's certainly not up to you to decide which innocent are guilty in reality, if a court couldn't prove it you aren't better than them.

Do some guilty rapist escape justice ? Sure, rape is not always easy to prove.
Are some innocents put in jail for rape ? Sure, again rape is hard to prove or disprove.

But if you want to talk about numbers you should talk about real numbers. Not some made up shit that fits your agenda.

Not guilty in court doesn't mean someone falsely reported the other one, you know. It means there wasn't enough to convict with the evidence presented to the court, that could be because the person actually didn't do it, or they just didn't have enough evidence to meet the level of standard needed on evidence for the court to convict.