Happy Ending Massages

[May90]

It amuses me deeply that however many guys in this thread go on to get happy ending massages, every one of them is going to be thinking about Tilli Mooneye at the crucial moment.

Tilli has killed a happy ending massage as a concept!

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

if theres no insertion then its just a massage.

That's a nice way to justify to yourself that you are paying for a handjob.
You are paying for a sexual service. It's prostitution. It's not a big deal just stop pretending it's anything other than that.

[Deleted]

Had quite a few now.

Also paid for sex quite a few times.

There are genuine women out there who want some extra money in return for giving pleasure.

As a pleasure seeker I'm happy to pay.

If someone can point anything wrong with this, I'll happily listen.

Paying for sex upfront is the most honest sex 2 people can have.

Lets face it, unless you love someone and want to make love, guys who try to impress girls to get laid, who in return let themselves get laid to gold dig, is far more dishonest.

Being upfront and paying just cuts all the bullshit fake nonsense out the equation.

It works out cheaper too. No need for expensive dinner, cinema, etc trips.

Yes, but you see, some women don't like that, as it makes them feel insecure about their own position. They feel threatened. So, they want everyone else to play by the same rules that they want to - pretense, in a word (mind-games, essentially).

It's the same reason we have modern-day third-wave feminism trying to tell everyone else how to behave. Exactly the same reason/motivation.

Getting these people to be honest with themselves is a monumental task, however (in fact, doing the opposite goes part and parcel with the whole thing).

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"Bible"? Lmfao, I'm not religious, I just hate people who pay for sex. It's pathetic.

So, do you feel the same way about pornography? Cos there are a shedload of people who pay for that in the world. And if you don't, why not?

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You're literally scum if you take use of that.

Also, why is paying for sexual release so taboo to you, but paying for other physical therapies is totally fine? Some people get paid massages (and similar services) simply for the human contact, and not for any medical reason.

As a rule, I still don't understand why sex (or anything remotely pertaining to it) is still so demonised these days, amongst non-religious folks... It seems these archaic belief-systems are still very much influencing our perceptions, values, morals/ethics, thoughts and behaviour even now ...

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Yes, but you see, some women don't like that, as it makes them feel insecure about their own position. They feel threatened. So, they want everyone else to play by the same rules that they want to - pretense, in a word (mind-games, essentially).

It's the same reason we have modern-day third-wave feminism trying to tell everyone else how to behave. Exactly the same reason/motivation.

Getting these people to be honest with themselves is a monumental task, however (in fact, doing the opposite goes part and parcel with the whole thing).

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So, do you feel the same way about pornography? Cos there are a shedload of people who pay for that in the world. And if you don't, why not?

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Also, why is paying for sexual release so taboo to you, but paying for other physical therapies is totally fine? Some people get paid massages (and similar services) simply for the human contact, and not for any medical reason.

As a rule, I still don't understand why sex (or anything remotely pertaining to it) is still so demonised these days, amongst non-religious folks... It seems these archaic belief-systems are still very much influencing our perceptions, values, morals/ethics, thoughts and behaviour even now ...

I can't say I agree with all of it, but this is a good, direct, logical and thought-provoking post - especially when it comes to the hypocrisy and puritanism of those who see themselves as rational and non-religious (although feminists are illogical most of the time anyway)

I do think there's a pride issue for me (and others) when it comes to paying for sex.

I completely understand the necessity of it in the old traditional days when marriage was de rigeur and normal women just couldn't sleep around or they would get pregnant, but these days with contraception, Tinder etc it has never been easier to get laid with no consequences.

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While I agree that MMOC is a "safezone", I kinda doubt going to a brothel with your family members isn't that normal.

ye but i think it was when a kid hit puberty his dad took him to a bordel to have sex for the first time and became a men :P
today that would be rape ( he is forced to go and underage ! ) , but i do think it helped them became better man

also google says it happens today too
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1293651.html

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ye but i think it was when a kid hit puberty his dad took him to a bordel to has sex for the first time and became a men :P
today that would be rape ( he is forced to go and underage ! ) , but i do think will it helped them became a better man

How does not having sex make you a "worse man"? :|

[Deleted]

How does not having sex make you a "worse man"? :|

if you dated any 14-16 years old kid you would know :P
i dont want to be mean , but i think this experience would help him be alot more social and comfortable around women

[Jotaux]

How does not having sex make you a "worse man"? :|

There was a thread a couple years ago here and several women said they would not get in a relationship with a virgin because something must be wrong with them socially.

[Bristae]

After Reading through this forum, I'd like to add something here...

1) Let's face it. Women hold the power when it comes to sex. Most women will deny it, but most if not all, have used sex as a weapon, incentive, or control. It is one of the most fundamental things that they can wield. Wives use it as a "Good Boy" and they withhold it to manipulate a situation. "If you buy that/go there! No sex later!"

2) I have found that a majority of women like Tilli that as 100% against it are ones that have used it a mean to an end in a relationship. See above, it is a loss of power in the situation. How can they withhold from someone something that they can go pay for?

3) It is one of the worlds oldest professions... Why? again see above... Women hold the key. Some will openly sell that "key"

4) reason prostitution is illegal in most of the US States is mainly because it is hard it control and tax. In Nevada, some counties have legalized it. The girls are checked VERY regularly and they pay their taxes.

[Masark]

Are they degrading, or are they harmless?

They're degrading to the term "massage".

[Levelfive]

After Reading through this forum, I'd like to add something here...

1) Let's face it. Women hold the power when it comes to sex. Most women will deny it, but most if not all, have used sex as a weapon, incentive, or control. It is one of the most fundamental things that they can wield. Wives use it as a "Good Boy" and they withhold it to manipulate a situation. "If you buy that/go there! No sex later!"

2) I have found that a majority of women like Tilli that as 100% against it are ones that have used it a mean to an end in a relationship. See above, it is a loss of power in the situation. How can they withhold from someone something that they can go pay for?

3) It is one of the worlds oldest professions... Why? again see above... Women hold the key. Some will openly sell that "key"

4) reason prostitution is illegal in most of the US States is mainly because it is hard it control and tax. In Nevada, some counties have legalized it. The girls are checked VERY regularly and they pay their taxes.

It's entirely possible both to be and argue in favor of legalized prostitution (as I do with some frequency) without resorting to demonizing the majority of women. It's too bad you have such a low opinion of women, as if you know "most women" and can speak with authority about their private behavior, but lots of women are in favor of legalizing prostitution. From what I've seen of women who oppose it, most of their objections are based on misguided impulses to protect prostitutes, rather than some feared loss of manipulation power. If / when you become a trustworthy man, you'll probably trust women more.

[Deleted]

There was a thread a couple years ago here and several women said they would not get in a relationship with a virgin because something must be wrong with them socially.

*shrug* Different people have different reasons for being a virgin. I don't think it makes sense to make such blanket statements - so I won't adopt that view.

[May90]

if you dated any 14-16 years old kid you would know :P
i dont want to be mean , but i think this experience would help him be alot more social and comfortable around women

How does sex help one be a lot more social and comfortable around women? Doesn't make much sense...

[Bristae]

It's entirely possible both to be and argue in favor of legalized prostitution (as I do with some frequency) without resorting to demonizing the majority of women. It's too bad you have such a low opinion of women, as if you know "most women" and can speak with authority about their private behavior, but lots of women are in favor of legalizing prostitution. From what I've seen of women who oppose it, most of their objections are based on misguided impulses to protect prostitutes, rather than some feared loss of manipulation power. If / when you become a trustworthy man, you'll probably trust women more.

Sorry but it is called REALITY. You know what... Men would do that same if the ball was in their court. It is not a gender issue as much as a HUMAN issue. Human nature is to exploit an advantage. we do it in games, nature, politics, LIFE.

If you read into my post as me not trusting women. wow you are badly mistaken. All I have done is strip away pretense and look at the humanistic level of it. take or leave it. I know not ALL women do these things. But I ask you to SERIOUSLY look at the world, life, media, and them honestly tell me if this is NOT what you see happen a lot.

[Revi]

It's only degrading if the person doing it feels degraded by it. So, it depends.

[ItachiZaku]

Had quite a few now.

Also paid for sex quite a few times.

There are genuine women out there who want some extra money in return for giving pleasure.

As a pleasure seeker I'm happy to pay.

If someone can point anything wrong with this, I'll happily listen.

Paying for sex upfront is the most honest sex 2 people can have.

Lets face it, unless you love someone and want to make love, guys who try to impress girls to get laid, who in return let themselves get laid to gold dig, is far more dishonest.

Being upfront and paying just cuts all the bullshit fake nonsense out the equation.

It works out cheaper too. No need for expensive dinner, cinema, etc trips.

I think you've convinced me.

[Deleted]

How does sex help one be a lot more social and comfortable around women? Doesn't make much sense...

emmmm deep interaction like kissing and sex helps a lot and gives confidence . i am not talking about some1 socially retarded , but when you are 12-14 you think beautiful women poop glitter dust . again use your imagination to understand me

[Levelfive]

Sorry but it is called REALITY. You know what... Men would do that same if the ball was in their court. It is not a gender issue as much as a HUMAN issue. Human nature is to exploit an advantage. we do it in games, nature, politics, LIFE.

If you read into my post as me not trusting women. wow you are badly mistaken. All I have done is strip away pretense and look at the humanistic level of it. take or leave it. I know not ALL women do these things. But I ask you to SERIOUSLY look at the world, life, media, and them honestly tell me if this is NOT what you see happen a lot.

Your grossly limited perspective on the "fundamental" nature of human behavior (but mostly women's, let's be real) does not equal objective reality. A guy who says things like, "Most women will deny it, but most if not all, have used sex as a weapon, incentive, or control. It is one of the most fundamental things that they can wield. Wives use it as a "Good Boy" and they withhold it to manipulate a situation. "If you buy that/go there! No sex later!"

2) I have found that a majority of women like Tilli that as 100% against it are ones that have used it a mean to an end in a relationship. See above, it is a loss of power in the situation. How can they withhold from someone something that they can go pay for?" and then is shocked to be told he doesn't trust or think much of women is really not in a position to make claims about "fundamental natures," given that he doesn't even grasp his own.

[May90]

emmmm deep interaction like kissing and sex helps a lot and gives confidence . i am not talking about some1 socially retarded , but when you are 12-14 you think beautiful women poop glitter dust . again use your imagination to understand me

I guess it can help people with deep confidence issues and a strange view on the world, that need this kind of weird boost to believe in themselves, but it hardly helps anyone else.

[Mistame]

Spoken like someone who only dates in an attempt to have sex.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

I hope at least you are honest about your intentions with prospective partners.

I can't speak for him, but I make certain that a prospective date understands that the physical aspect takes priority (there can be sex without attachment, but no attachment without sex). If we hit it off, great. If not, that's cool, too. /shrug

she didn't mention the one giving the sex since she probably thinks the woman is the victim in all this what with having the awful duty of giving the blowjob for money. THE HORROR!

Happy Ending = Hand Job

I can't get one.

She told me union rules forbid heavy lifting

You don't have to be on top, dude.

I guess it can help people with deep confidence issues and a strange view on the world, that need this kind of weird boost to believe in themselves, but it hardly helps anyone else.

So to be clear, you don't believe that experience builds confidence?