I Have Yet to Experience SJWs in Real Life.

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It's easy to be like "ohh they're all pussies hiding behind their computer screens and they're much more moderate IRL" but look in the mirror a little too.

It's easy to demonize anyone with any kind of remotely minority-friendly views as a "rapid foaming SJW" on the internet when you're safe behind your screen, but when you're face to face it becomes much more difficult to shit on people like that and dismiss them outright since they're real people then, so you don't label them as SJWs for saying the exact same stuff IRL as they do face to face.

It's kind of similar to how many people are/were with gay people. Less so nowadays but it still happens. People all like "ohh fucking homos look at them all mincing about up and down canal street" but when it's someone they know personally like a friend or family member they tend to be a LITTLE more accepting, or just kind of ignore it and don't think about it. Or "well, they're okay because they're not like XYZ". They might be doing the exact same stuff as those people mincing up and down canal street but it's harder to hate them for it when you know them personally so you convince yourself they don't do it.

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It's easy to be like "ohh they're all pussies hiding behind their computer screens and they're much more moderate IRL" but look in the mirror a little too.

It's easy to demonize anyone with any kind of remotely minority-friendly views as a "rapid foaming SJW" on the internet when you're safe behind your screen, but when you're face to face it becomes much more difficult to shit on people like that and dismiss them outright since they're real people then, so you don't label them as SJWs for saying the exact same stuff IRL as they do face to face.

It's kind of similar to how many people are/were with gay people. Less so nowadays but it still happens. People all like "ohh fucking homos look at them all mincing about up and down canal street" but when it's someone they know personally like a friend or family member they tend to be a LITTLE more accepting, or just kind of ignore it and don't think about it. Or "well, they're okay because they're not like XYZ". They might be doing the exact same stuff as those people mincing up and down canal street but it's harder to hate them for it when you know them personally so you convince yourself they don't do it.

I've seen SJW people IRL and Feminist IRL.

They make me just as angry IRL, if not angrier ; because they are displaying plain delusional behavior, at that point.

I can handle that someone is a loonie on the internets, after all, they are just some avatar of some dummie who can't figure better than to hammer their ideology in make-belief (in form of spamming websites with their dribble)

But IRL, that is much more akin to pushing your actual beliefs on people, in real-life ; And i find that revolting. So, i will judge them IRL, even worse than on the Forums.

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I've seen SJW people IRL and Feminist IRL.

They make me just as angry IRL, if not angrier ; because they are displaying plain delusional behavior, at that point.

I can handle that someone is a loonie on the internets, after all, they are just some avatar of some dummie who can't figure better than to hammer their ideology in make-belief (in form of spamming websites with their dribble)

But IRL, that is much more akin to pushing your actual beliefs on people, in real-life ; And i find that revolting. So, i will judge them IRL, even worse than on the Forums.

So you say. Online.

[Spectral]

Academia has always been left leaning. Are you trying to argue your link isn't biased? It was written by a self confessed Rabble Rouser and a neo con apologist.

A rabble rouser and someone that doesn't think conservatism is the result of bullying? Well, shit, I guess you've got me. I suppose Haidt is predisposed to believing that conservatives aren't just abuse victims

[Deleted]

So you say. Online.

And i would say the same, in real life. Your point being?

I know plenty of Delusional loonies IRL too ; Don't fool yourself to think that i'm cuddly irl, just because i willingly argue with dummies on the internet.

[dextersmith]

Are you one? Forest through the trees......

[Aeula]

Seems like you label anyone who doesn't agree with you a SJW. Which can be said to most of the replies here.

Hardly. The man rambled on for hours praising feminists and linking articles supporting their view for references in our work.

He actually gave us an article to read saying how we should all be guilty about being white.

[Knolan]

I honestly have not. I also live near several colleges and universities. Where can I find them outside of Tumblr?

There are lots in the university, specially the ones that don't involve math... try going into a history, geography or related colleges and you will find some, in extreme cases go to social sciences, but be careful, those are the extremists.

Or... just try talking to people that are frying your burger or serving you coffee.

[Pawstruck]

I'm at a liberal university in Boston, MA.

They're here. Holy shit are they here.

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I'm at a liberal university in Boston, MA.

They're here. Holy shit are they here.

That's the thing, isnt it?
You will only see them near a liberal college/university.

Just stop giving these people a stage to yell from already. It's a very small group that's making a lot of noise. Ignore them and they fade away.

[Deleted]

That's the thing, isnt it?
You will only see them near a liberal college/university.

Just stop giving these people a stage to yell from already. It's a very small group that's making a lot of noise. Ignore them and they fade away.

I'm not at any college or university, liberal or otherwise, and I'd pretty much be what most people call an SJW though?

[Deleted]

I'm not at any college or university, liberal or otherwise, and I'd pretty much be what most people call an SJW though?

I don't know? But at least if you're outside of such an environment it's a lot harder to make waves.

[Dhrizzle]

How's that kool-aid taste? It isn't a 'boogieman' term in the least. It was co-opted from precious snowflakes who thought it was something to be proud of. 'Social Justice' bloggers -literally- invented the term, we just use it as a pejorative to piss them off. And it works. The term is no longer looked upon in a favorable light. To be called an 'sjw' isn't something to be proud of. We took a thing meant to give you guys a banner to rally around and turned it into a meme to mock your hipster, authoritative, regressive world view.

It was originally used by social-justice bloggers as a pejorative against those who did fit the Strawman Justice Warrior description. Then it got picked up by outlets like Breitbart, Stormfront and various "manosphere"/MRA blogs and used as a term for anyone with pro-social justice views. Today I'm quite happy to be called a Social Justice Warrior as it means my views are somewhere to the left of literal nazis or proud misogynists, either that or I managed to annoy some crackpot conspiracy theorists.

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but how can they be this

and a threat to all that we love?

It depends on the day of the week and whether the Narrative is Crumbling.

[Celista]

And what exactly are "mens issues"?

Issues as they pertain to men...health and mental well-being issues...socialization as it pertains to masculinity and mental health (talking about your problems being looked down upon...friendship ties versus those of women...etc)...crime rates (most victims of violent crime are actually men)...et cetera.

[Gilbergrape]

If you want to experience SJW. Take an old hate speech from a feminist and put it onto a wall.
Then. A few days later, take the same text, reverse the gender and put it onto a wall.

Chances are. Your second text will create quite some stir.

[Finith]

Well, when I use the term SJW, i am using a definition similar to what the other guy used in a previous post. If you also believe that "BLM" is a useless movement that has no meaning because a subset of people who use it is batshit insane and you also believe that feminism is a useless garbage term because of a small (but vocal and powerful) subset of feminists are certified insane, then you are being consistent with you logic and i understand what you are trying to express.

If you agree with the above statement, I get where you are coming from. It is really annoying to see someone labeled as an SJW for simply believing in social justice. But can you do me a favor? Can you show me just 1 example (with context) of a non SJW being labeled as SJW without going to 4chan? I have never seen this personally because the sites that i frequent almost always use SJW to refer to a specific group of people.



It didn't offend me. It just does not make sense. Especially because I actually made that caveat in great, GREAT detail in my earlier posts. You just randomly responded to the end of a 10 comment interaction without bothering to look at the quoted material. What is happening now is the same as me spending 10 hours to explain to a customer exactly how to make a particular change on their website, then have their husband jump in at the last minute to say, "You are not doing a good job at educating my husband! You didn't even tell him how to access cPanel" when the entire first 6 hours was me showing him not only how to access cPanel but all of the ins and outs of operating cPanel.

In a lot of cases, it is misguided. I would argue that in 80% of cases it is misguided indoctrination. These kids go to college and have no reason to doubt what they are being told by the Melissa Clicks of the world. With the definition of SJW commonly used on this forum, by myself and with most other non-crazy, reasonable people, they are unfortunately unable to be reasoned to.

Look at it this way. If your 100% really and truly with all of your heart believe that everything that I am typing right now to be false propaganda and you believe with all of your heart, that you are 100% correct because whatever, of course you would believe that people who are against what you are saying are not only wrong, they are immoral. This is the insidious part of SJW culture: It creates a sub system where people slowly discard their life long friends for being "problematic" and make is so that in order to even survive they must adhere to all of the rules. Questioning the cause and not following in line is meet with swift punishment.

Forgive me for linking a 4chan post, however this describes the concept of SJWs far better than i can (sometimes even the dankest cespools of shit can offer nuggets of knowledge)

http://i.imgur.com/gFB0CQ8.png

http://i.imgur.com/FaNk3QH.jpg

The latter one in particular resonates very strongly with myself because I have seen this happen to many of my former friends. And it is heart breaking when it does. SJWs operate no differently from Scientologists in their tactics.

That is, they get their followers to piss over their support networks so they have no choice but to remain in the church.



SJWs are the other side of the bigotry coin. And again, I have, multiple times in this thread, gave an explanation of what an SJW is.

To be clear those sites have also attempted to define the term. I will admit to some confusion because as an educator and a student I have had astonishingly little contact with individuals like this in an environment that I am told should be overflowing with them (a university). I believe this is because this term, along with its infinite pejorative connotations, is a product of the internet, and most specifically a response to a particular kind of backlash against a particular form of outcry that is viewed as regressive and insidious.

If I didn't see the caveat that's on me, but to be clear presenting a choice where one either is or is not an SJW, even if you lay down conditions, is not a caveat. The term is far too muddied and problematic to be presented in a simple either/or scenario.

If you're losing people in your life as a consequence of them giving into the toxic nature of SJW'ism I would think the natural response is to consider why such a thing is happening in the first place.

We are very good when it comes to acknowledging the ways that PC'ism proves to be a danger, we are terrible at understanding why such a strong desire towards this position emerges in the first place. Anonymity works both ways, it acts as cudgel for those who feel powerless or are in some other way misguided and decide that the land of forums and celebrity twitter feeds are the place to negotiate social change. It also usefully masks those far more interested in ranting about whatever underlying problem is enraging them today by spouting whatever hateful garbage they wish.

These people you loathe do not exist in a vacuum, they do not emerge from nothing, no matter how misguided their views or methods are. This space is full of hate, so full of it in fact that it convinces many already susceptible to a skepticism of the inherent good of others that the only recourse that exists is to refuse that hate a platform on which to stand in the first place.

How long into the post on the Brussel's attack do you think i'll have to go before I read somebody telling me how the problem is all dem' rotten arabs? Or European socialism? Or some other one sentence reason completely devoid of context or careful, critical consideration?

Yes, these people you group together are bad. They are a monster created by places like 4chan, by comments on a youtube video of a taylor swift song that have somehow linked 'shake it off' to 'the holocaust is a coverup'. Anonymity is a hydra in this case, the unintended consequences of allowing anyone to say anything with no possibility of personal rebuke fuels both the most repugnant vitriol imaginable and equally foolish responses to it.

I'm sorry but this is not a one-sided problem, very few people seem to be interested in being responsible for their speech in an environment where they don't have to be.

[klogaroth]

I'm not at any college or university, liberal or otherwise, and I'd pretty much be what most people call an SJW though?

You can't really claim that Manchester isn't a left leaning city, or that the culture of Manchester isn't hugely influenced by its massive student population though.

(Don't take that as me saying that's a bad thing though. Those things are why I love Manchester.)

[Venant]

A rabble rouser and someone that doesn't think conservatism is the result of bullying? Well, shit, I guess you've got me. I suppose Haidt is predisposed to believing that conservatives aren't just abuse victims

It's like you are trying to argue with somebody who believes in a fundamentalist religion, to the point where given the choice between objectively provable evidence and an ancient book written over a thousand years ago, they will always force their view of 'reality' through the lens of the ancient text.

What, you don't believe the earth is 8,000 years old? All those dinosaur bones were put in the ground by god in order to test my faith!

[Deleted]

You can't really claim that Manchester isn't a left leaning city, or that the culture of Manchester isn't hugely influenced by its massive student population though.

Well, few things. Firstly, I'm actually cheshire, rather than manchester. I put manchester in my location because it's the nearest city other than stockport, and it's more widely known internationally than cheshire is, so gives a better idea of my general location. Cheshire is historically a very right leaning county, and the voting constituency I was raised in was tatton, which has been conservative held since it was created in 1983 in every single election except one in 1997, where the tories lost their seat there thanks to Neil Hamilton who was in the middle of a huge drama and was begged not to stand but did anyway.

[Anonymous1038853]

You are either an SJW or you are not an SJW.

I'm not sure if I agree with this. For example, I would not characterize Nixx as an SJW (Since that seemed to be a matter of some uncertainty). But I do characterize "Anti-PC are the same!" as pro-SJW rhetoric, for reasons previously outlined. To provide an analogy: When YECs try to get schools to teach creationism on par with evolution, and people contest this push, there's always some body of people who argue "Both sides are wrong! Stop forcing your beliefs down other people's throats!" This stance grants significant leeway to those trying to push harmful dogmatism, and unreasonable criticism against those dissenting against it. Those espousing this stance are not generally YECs, but the rhetoric is relatively favorable to that stance. It incorrectly asserts fundamentalism and the dissent thereof as analogous, effectively aiding the former.

Don't get me wrong: There are certainly many people who contest PC culture for the wrong reasons. I'm not asserting that the anti-PC stance as fundamentally infallible, since the dissent of a view is always nebulous. But their existence doesn't somehow make anti-PC as functionally invalid as the PC stance being criticized. It's tantamount to the argument that jihadism is valid, because some people are racist against muslims. Or that Trump is correct, because some think "Literally Hitler" is a sound rebuttal. Ultimately, faulty arguments do not grant credence to the point they are trying to refute. That's just not how arguments work. Argumentum ad logicam is a fallacy.

So I think advocacy of the SJW stance, if it's even apt to say there is one, is far more akin to a spectrum, rather than a binary consideration.