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    Ukrainian lawyer of captured Russian soldiers found dead

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uk...-idUSKCN0WR0WF

    Yuriy Grabovsky was part of the legal team representing the two Russians arrested last May on terrorism charges related to the separatist conflict in eastern Ukraine. Their case has garnered extra attention because of Ukraine's wish to exchange the servicemen for Ukrainians detained in Russia, including pilot Nadezhda Savcheko.

    Grabovsky went missing in early March and on Thursday evening police launched a search for his body based on information from one of two men detained over his disappearance, Matios said in a briefing.

    Matios said Grabovsky's body had been found at 0400 local time (0200 GMT) during a police excavation of land on a former farming collective.

    "Provisionally, I can say that ... (he) was killed in a violent way and finished off with a firearm," Matios said, adding that the lawyer had been robbed and also had an explosive device attached to his leg.

    Matios said he could not provide detail on possible motives but later said that it was in Russia's interest for the servicemen's trial to be delayed.

    Russia's Foreign Ministry issued a statement that blamed Ukrainian authorities for failing to protect Grabovsky, who they said had become a victim of anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine because of his role defending the Russian servicemen.

    "Despite all warnings, Kiev authorities were still unable or unwilling to guarantee Grabovsky's safety," the ministry statement said.
    Another political murder in Ukraine. Opponents of the ruling junta sponsored by USA get murdered and repressed every week. The EU stays silent and continues to send money to the corrupt puppets that took power after the military coup.

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    Apparently it's all for our safety though Cybran.
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    I feel safer, who really likes lawyers anyway?

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    You blame USA right away when it says right there in your own article, that his death was in Russias interest. Why not ask the mob boss Putin what happened?
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linadra View Post
    You blame USA right away when it says right there in your own article, that his death was in Russias interest. Why not ask the mob boss Putin what happened?
    The Ukrainian prosecutor says the murder was in Russia's interest, I wouldn't take that at face value.

    But really, we know who invaded who here, so I'm not willing to say America is ultimately responsible for any of the violence in Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daerio View Post
    The Ukrainian prosecutor says the murder was in Russia's interest, I wouldn't take that at face value.

    But really, we know who invaded who here, so I'm not willing to say America is ultimately responsible for any of the violence in Ukraine.
    It's still more to go on than OPs conspiracy guess. Nowhere in the article is USA even mentioned.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    The agenda pushing isn't even slightly hidden. Does anyone actually involved expect the US to do anything about Ukraine? What happened there might have been supported by the West but it was the people that did the actual work and so the burden of governing falls on them.

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    I'll worry when opposition politicians are gunned down right outside their parlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    I'll worry when opposition politicians are gunned down right outside their parlement.
    http://www.thenation.com/article/lea...ine-just-year/

    Fast-forward almost two months and shift the scene southwest from Moscow to Kiev. On April 15, Oleg Kalashnikov, a former Rada deputy and member of the deposed President Victor Yanukovych’s Party of Regions, was shot to death in his home. Since the Maidan coup of February 2014, Kalashnikov had emerged as a vocal opponent of the American-backed government; indeed, Kalashnikov had been active in organizing a series of anti-government protests known as the Antimaidan.

    According to a report in the British newspaper The Guardian, Kalashnikov had written to friends that his life had been threatened because of “his calls to celebrate the 70th anniversary of victory in the ‘Great Patriotic War.’” Echoing Vladimir Putin’s comments following Nemtsov’s assassination, Ukrainian oligarch-turned-president Petro Poroshenko was quick to call Kalashnikov’s murder a “provocation” that was aimed at “destabilizing the internal political situation in Ukraine and discrediting the political choice of the Ukrainian people.”


    The day after Kalashnikov’s death, April 16, another political murder took place in Kiev, this time in broad daylight. At 1:20 in the afternoon the Ukrainian opposition journalist Oles Buzyna was gunned down outside his home. Buzyna, invariably described as a “pro-Russian journalist” was, like Kalashnikov, active in anti-government circles. Immediately following the event, the Ukrainian interior minister noted Buzyna’s murder may have been “orchestrated by Russia” in order to “destabilize the situation in Ukraine from within.”

    More troubling still, the murders of Kalashnikov and Buzyna are only the latest in a series of murders or suspicious “suicides” that have decimated the ranks of the Ukrainian opposition. Beginning on January 26 with the death of the former deputy chief of Ukrainian Railways, Nikolai Sergienko, no fewer than 10 opposition politicians and journalists have been killed in the span of just under three months.

    The US and European outcry over the deaths of these Ukrainian opposition figures has been, shall we say, muted, and not only in comparison to the outcry which followed the death of Boris Nemtsov. Today we see nothing close to the outrage which ensued after the murders of Russian opposition journalists and activists Paul Klebnikov (2004), Anna Politkovskaya (2006), and Alexander Litvinenko (2006). The reason for this is not difficult to discern.

    Our wondrously pliant Beltway media has, for months now, ignored the spate of murders and suspicious suicides in Kiev because it prefers not to report on the illiberal tide that is now sweeping over Kiev.

    The lesson policymakers (as well as the many 2016 presidential aspirants) might take away from the example of post-Yanukovych Ukraine is that overthrowing democratically elected governments, however corrupt, is not a promising recipe for building the kinds of “civil societies” that we are told are in America’s interest.

    American journalists and US policymakers might do well to focus more closely on the full dimensions of what is unfolding in Kiev rather than to continue to simply parrot the post-Maidan party line.
    Shouldn't the quantity of murders matter more than where they are committed? Ukrainian opposition is shot in their homes, on the street and tortured in the woods before being executed.

    There have been at least 20 high profile murders since 2013, but Western media ignores them. What is up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Shouldn't the quantity of murders matter more than where they are committed?

    ...did you just tacitly accept that Russia commits bold-faced murders for political gain?

    Ukrainian opposition is shot in their homes, on the street and tortured in the woods before being executed.

    There have been at least 20 high profile murders since 2013, but Western media ignores them. What is up?
    ...So your evidence that the US is nefariously tinting its fingers behind all of this is... that no evidence exists, and that that makes it suspicious?

    What?
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    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    What is up?
    business as usual.
    we are his...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Shouldn't the quantity of murders matter more than where they are committed? Ukrainian opposition is shot in their homes, on the street and tortured in the woods before being executed.

    There have been at least 20 high profile murders since 2013, but Western media ignores them. What is up?
    We are talking about people who are literally being accused of collusion with the Russian government, living in Ukraine, right? In other words, high treason during wartime, an offense that carries execution as its penalty in every country in the world.

    I don't think people get fair trials here in America, especially when it comes to terrorism and treason. I'd hardly expect Ukraine to have a higher standard right now, given the circumstances.

    And the American media doesn't even cover murders committed in this country, why would they cover murders in Ukraine that carry a conspiracy theory along with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    http://www.thenation.com/article/lea...ine-just-year/



    Shouldn't the quantity of murders matter more than where they are committed? Ukrainian opposition is shot in their homes, on the street and tortured in the woods before being executed.

    There have been at least 20 high profile murders since 2013, but Western media ignores them. What is up?
    I honestly do not expect Ukranians to behave any different from their Russian 'brothers'

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    These threads never turn out like they used too with Cybran writing so much he contradicts himself.
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    Hey all, lets all blame our favorite targets with no evidence! Its super productive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linadra View Post
    You blame USA right away when it says right there in your own article, that his death was in Russias interest. Why not ask the mob boss Putin what happened?
    Shhhhsshhhhhh

    Its Cybran.

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    Russia: does a thing
    Cybran: the fuck is america doing!?

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    I think Russia takes life on The Walking Dead too seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    Russia: does a thing
    Cybran: the fuck is america doing!?
    A Ukrainian government representative blamed Russia and you actually buy that? How blind can you be? America is giving money and weapons to the Ukrainian neo-nazis who do these murders. Fucking take some of your responsibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    A Ukrainian government representative blamed Russia and you actually buy that? How blind can you be? America is giving money and weapons to the Ukrainian neo-nazis who do these murders. Fucking take some of your responsibilities.
    Or Russia taking out their own in order to rile up people against Ukraine more. This is nothing new. Did the same thing back at the start of Winter war against Finland; shelled it's own troops and claimed Finland to be the aggressor, and "justified" the war with that lie.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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