Alison Rapp fired by Nintendo

[Aori]

Probably because it's still extremely illegal for an adult to have sexual relations with a minor. The technical term is "child abuse offender," but pedophilia is a convenient catch-all because the victim in question is still considered, in the eyes of the law and most of society, a child in comparison to the perpetrator.

Extremely illegal again, varies by state and country. Even so, using it as a catch-all is absurd, it is a complete misuse of the term. Western society is clearly conflicted over what is an appropriate age of consent.

[TirielWoW]

She is obviously extreme, but some of what she brings up are good points. Though only parts of what she brings up are. Most of what she has said is outright insane.

Mainly I agree that our justice system can be overly heavy-handed at times. Like the 15 yr old mentioned before who had sex with his 15 yr old girlfriend. There are also 17 yr old girls who have gotten prosecuted for being in possession of child porn after taking pictures of themselves. It isn't just sexting. At least one girl never sent the pictures to anyone. A school administrator found them on her phone. There are so many people who are labeled sex offenders for life when they shouldn't be. The punishment needs to fit the crime, AND intent.

There have been several places where they've passed laws that specifically remove the threat of kids being labeled sex offenders for life because they were idiots and took naked pictures of themselves. But it's really slow. I'm sure sexting goes on where I live, but I haven't yet heard of a local prosecutor trying to go after any kids over it. I think they might lose their job if they did.

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Extremely illegal again, varies by state and country. Even so, using it as a catch-all is absurd, it is a complete misuse of the term. Western society is clearly conflicted over what is an appropriate age of consent.

Well go forth and change the laws.

Let us know about your progress!

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Allison "I'm a lady so hanging around at the park isn't shady" Rapp
Allison "Hey little boy, wanna have some fun?" Rapp
Allison "No such thing as an age gap" Rapp
Allison "I'll let you play the new smash brothers early if you do it in your underwear" Rapp
Allison "The preteen queen" Rapp
Allison "I prefer the teeny weeny sceenie" Rapp
Allison "Show me your Willy, Lil' Billy" Rapp


The lust in her eyes.

[Fenixhart]

"She's a pedophile!" is retard-tier reading comprehension.

Being a pedophile

Supporting or encouraging Views that enable them

Both should be jettisoned into the sun.

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Being a pedophile

Supporting or encouraging Views that enable them

Both should be jettisoned into the sun.

Pedophiles are born that way, just like homosexuals are.
Or wait is that right?

Because often people say that pedophiles have been molested themselves when they were children, which is what normalized it for them, so they grew up to find sex with kids normal.

So it does make one wonder how do people get these sexual desires? Are they normal or are they enforced on them? Is both possible?

And if pedophiles have been victims of other pedophiles when they were kids, when do they go from being victims to being monsters that deserve to be jettisoned into the sun?

One might say "the moment they themselves molest or rape another child", but if you ask people, they often think that just being a pedophile is enough to deserve death. At which point you would be arguing that victims of pedophiles deserve to die, as they are being turned into pedophiles themselves. Like victims of a vampiric curse.

I think it's safe to say though, that either way, nobody ever at any point makes the decision to become attracted to kids. It's something that you are either born with, or something that happens to you because you yourself are being molested or raped as a kid.

So on the one hand, just being a pedophile is not wrong, and it's never your fault if you desire children.

On the other hand, being a pedophile still means there is a very big chance that you will at some point molest or rape children in some way, because you can't just make your desires go away, and chances are big you're gonna succumb to them. So it's understandable that people would distrust pedophiles, and wouldn't want them around children.

[Fenixhart]

Pedophiles are born that way, just like homosexuals are.
Or wait is that right?

Because often people say that pedophiles have been molested themselves when they were children, which is what normalized it for them, so they grew up to find sex with kids normal.

So it does make one wonder how do people get these sexual desires? Are they normal or are they enforced on them? Is both possible?

And if pedophiles have been victims of other pedophiles when they were kids, when do they go from being victims to being monsters that deserve to be jettisoned into the sun?

One might say "the moment they themselves molest or rape another child", but if you ask people, they often think that just being a pedophile is enough to deserve death. At which point you would be arguing that victims of pedophiles deserve to die, as they are being turned into pedophiles themselves. Like victims of a vampiric curse.

Pedophilia is not a fucking sexual orientation.

And the rest of what you said was fucking lunatic nonsense. If anything it just emphasizes how horrible it is and why it should be heavly discouraged and not openly embraced.

Being a Pedophile who hasn't commited a crime isn't illegal, no, but if they ever start entertaining those impulses they surrender any benefits of doubt. It doesn't matter what vile evil was put on you, that gives you no right to commit it in turn with impunity.

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Pedophilia is not a fucking sexual orientation.

Define sexual orientation.

Either way, pedophiles are attracted to children, and no one chooses what they are attracted to. I'm attracted to feet. A foot fetish may not be a "sexual orientation", but it doesn't change that I'm attracted to them, and I never consciously decided at any point in my life to be sexually attracted to them. Maybe it was something that happened in my childhood, maybe I was born that way. So whether you call it sexual orientation or sexual attraction, it really makes no difference.

And the rest of what you said was fucking lunatic nonsense. If anything it just emphasizes how horrible it is and why it should be heavly discouraged and not openly embraced.

How so? What exactly was nonsense? The part about pedophiles often being molested themselves when they were children, which led to them seeing pedophilia as normal? No, that's no nonsense at all. Be a bit more specific if you want to be taken seriously.

Being a Pedophile who hasn't commited a crime isn't illegal, no, but if they ever start entertaining those impulses they surrender any benefits of doubt. It doesn't matter what vile evil was put on you, that gives you no right to commit it in turn with impunity.

And yet a lot of people will proudly proclaim that they would kill a pedophile if they ever met one, or that they at least should be killed or castrated. Even if they haven't raped a kid. The notion that a pedophile hasn't or wouldn't rape a kid doesn't even make sense to these people. So just being attracted to kids, and admitting to it will put your life in great danger. I mean if you don't believe it, go ahead and try it. Mention to people that you are a pedophile, but have never and will never molest kids, and see what kind of reactions you'll get. Come back and report. If you survive.

[Fojos]

yeah, no.
Just because you have sick fucking fetishes doesn't mean it's fine. God some ot people are gross.

You're saying something is definitely fine or not based on morally subjective opinions (albeit based on christianity). 0 critical thinking.

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I didn't jump to the worst possible conclusion until I read a good bit of what the woman said. Sorry, but I'm pretty sure my conclusion is the correct one, and I really don't have sympathy for her.

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Probably because it's still extremely illegal for an adult to have sexual relations with a minor. The technical term is "child abuse offender," but pedophilia is a convenient catch-all because the victim in question is still considered, in the eyes of the law and most of society, a child in comparison to the perpetrator.

In the eyes of most of society a 35 year old is a child compared to a senior

[Fenixhart]

Define sexual orientation.

Either way, pedophiles are attracted to children, and no one chooses what they are attracted to. I'm attracted to feet. A foot fetish may not be a "sexual orientation", but it doesn't change that I'm attracted to them, and I never consciously decided at any point in my life to be sexually attracted to them. Maybe it was something that happened in my childhood, maybe I was born that way. So whether you call it sexual orientation or sexual attraction, it really makes no difference.


How so? What exactly was nonsense? The part about pedophiles often being molested themselves when they were children, which led to them seeing pedophilia as normal? No, that's no nonsense at all. Be a bit more specific if you want to be taken seriously.


And yet a lot of people will proudly proclaim that they would kill a pedophile if they ever met one, or that they at least should be killed or castrated. Even if they haven't raped a kid. The notion that a pedophile hasn't or wouldn't rape a kid doesn't even make sense to these people. So just being attracted to kids, and admitting to it will put your life in great danger. I mean if you don't believe it, go ahead and try it. Mention to people that you are a pedophile, but have never and will never molest kids, and see what kind of reactions you'll get. Come back and report. If you survive.

Some people also get off by cutting people up and pissing on it.

Why don't we think of those people too?

And of course it would. People are protective of kids. That's why you don't fucking tell people you get boners looking at them like a fucking moron.


I will emphasize what I said before:

No one plays devils advocate regarding Pedophilia without personal interest in the matter. No one in their right state of mind would ever rush to their defence, so why do you bother? Especially when trying to water it down to something as mundane as fucking foot fetish when in the previous breath you were just going on about how they couldn't help it because they were traumatized from a previous abuse.

Pick a direction and run with it lest you dig your own grave.

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Some people also get off by cutting people up and pissing on it.

Why don't we think of those people too?

And those people didn't choose to get off on that either. But your comparison fails, because there are also people who like to be pissed on and like to be cut. Who also didn't choose to like that.

So explain to me again what part about what I wrote is nonsense. The part about people not choosing what they are attracted to, or the part about pedophiles often being molested themselves when they were kids, which is what normalized pedophilia for them and turned them into pedophiles? Because you are not making any good arguments against either of those statements.

[Fenixhart]

So explain to me again what part about what I wrote is nonsense..

The part where you're defending Pedophelia.

Which is all of it.

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And of course it would. People are protective of kids. That's why you don't fucking tell people you get boners looking at them like a fucking moron.


I will emphasize what I said before:

No one plays devils advocate regarding Pedophilia without personal interest in the matter. No one in their right state of mind would ever rush to their defence, so why do you bother? Especially when trying to water it down to something as mundane as fucking foot fetish when in the previous breath you were just going on about how they couldn't help it because they were traumatized from a previous abuse.

Pick a direction and run with it lest you dig your own grave.

I'm not playing devil's advocate, neither am I a pedophile myself, as you so blatantly accuse me of. I'm simply trying to look at the thing logically.

Maybe that is because... uhm... I'm empathetic to these people? Maybe it's because I realize what a shitty deal it is to be born, or to turn, through no fault of their own, into a pedophile, and having to live with that?

I'm also empathetic to a lot of other people who have gotten a shitty deal in their life.

You obviously aren't.

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The part where you're defending Pedophelia.

Which is all of it.

What a dishonest conclusion. I'm done with you.

[Fenixhart]

What a dishonest conclusion. I'm done with you.

If you weren't defending it then what exactly were you doing?

There is no grey in this topic. You pick a side and stick with it. and you chose to wobble on the fence.

Guess where that puts you.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Pedophilia is not a fucking sexual orientation.

And the rest of what you said was fucking lunatic nonsense. If anything it just emphasizes how horrible it is and why it should be heavly discouraged and not openly embraced.

Being a Pedophile who hasn't commited a crime isn't illegal, no, but if they ever start entertaining those impulses they surrender any benefits of doubt. It doesn't matter what vile evil was put on you, that gives you no right to commit it in turn with impunity.

So what's your largely arbitrary number for what you consider morally acceptable sexual consent? Given that it's a different number that varies extremely widely depending upon which country you're in.

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If you weren't defending it then what exactly were you doing?

There is no grey in this topic. You pick a side and stick with it. and you chose to wobble on the fence.

Guess where that puts you.

Yeah man no gray area on this subject at all. Two weeks before <insert arbitrary age barrier>? Throw em in the gulag for 25 years! Two weeks after? /thumbsup

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There is no grey in this topic.

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[Fenixhart]

So what's your largely arbitrary number for what you consider morally acceptable sexual consent? Given that it's a different number that varies extremely widely depending upon which country you're in.

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Yeah man no gray area on this subject at all. Two weeks before <insert arbitrary age barrier>? Throw em in the gulag for 25 years! Two weeks after? /thumbsup

Laws have to draw a line somewhere.

But they all generally fall within a similar range. There is no reasonable justification for trying to defend "Child sexual agency" when reffering to 13 or younger.

Japan has huge issues with people creeping on their school girls to varying degrees. They also happen to be very lax with their age of consent and are distributors of drawn child pornography.

If you think these aren't linked somehow then I don't know what else to tell you other than don't go near any playgrounds.

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So much with being done with me.

But nice of you to consider using hammy logic from a space opera to address a Real world issue that really has no wiggle room. The world isn't as grey as people want to think it is.

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drawn child pornography.

kek
yeah let's ban drawings
you know what else they distribute? drawn murder scenes, let's make those illegal too
it hurts the rights of drawn people
people are suffering over there in cartoon land

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So much with being done with me.

I just couldn't resist.
What you said was too retarded.

But nice of you to consider using hammy logic

You're the only one that lacks logical thinking skills.
You can't find a logical argument against the fact that people don't choose their sexual desires. You have to resort to ad hominems.

from a space opera to address a Real world issue that really has no wiggle room. The world isn't as grey as people want to think it is.

This is such a retarded thing to say. You're the one that doesn't get that the world isn't as black and white as you think it is. Here's another one, this one is from the real world, Is that better? Does that make it more true now?

[Fenixhart]

This is such a retarded thing to say.

So is saying Pedophilia is like Homosexuality or that People become Pedos because they were preyed upon by Pedos and therefore we should be considerate of pedos.

And you know, trying to argue against it in the first place.

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So is saying Pedophilia is like Homosexuality

I never said this. You are strawmanning. All I said was that just like with homosexuality, people don't choose to be attracted to kids. I could've made that same point with heterosexuality. People never choose to be attracted to anything.

Seriously, the degree to which you don't understand this is astonishing.

Someone could've argued that gay people don't choose to be attracted to their own sex, just like heterosexual people don't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex, and you would've taken that and commented "So you're saying homosexuality is like heterosexuality?"

What is so hard about this to understand. Let me repeat this. People don't choose who or what they are attracted to. No matter who or what it is. Do you actually disagree with that? What argument could you possibly have for that? Argue. Don't try to pull any strawman or ad hominem shit. What evidence leads you to believe that people actively choose what to be attracted to?

or that People become Pedos because they were preyed upon by Pedos and therefore we should be considerate of pedos.

Have you honestly never heard of that? How ignorant can one possibly be of the topic. Do a little research first.

[nextormento]

Its kind of disturbing because its not like the rage at Rapp started with this paper she wrote. Bunch of shitty people got pissy about localization and started trying to paint a target around the arrow they fired over it.

Its funny really because there's a huge overlap between the people raging at her and the people who advocate things she's in favor of. She argued a lot of respecting cultural standards for imported art and defended men who didn't conform to expected gender roles.
But she's also a feminist soooooooo

One can easily trace the hate towards Rapp to well before the Localization thing.
But yeah, it was shitty people that got to weaponize several others.

But perhaps it's time we realize this perceived overlap is the product of folks -and media- trying to pin down the hate on perceived ideological groups and schisms.
When fingers are pointed -at GG, SJW, BLM, BernieBros, OWL, prolifers, feminists... w/e-, defenders will be quick to point out the actions of individuals don't represent the group. There are always different perspectives within any ideology or movement.

If one is deeply involved with any particular side of a debate, these overlaps are easily confused for hypocrisy or ideological inconsistency.
But, to me, seeing such overlaps -and I often do myself- more often than not just indicates a failure of judgement: we didn't quite get what the ideology or movement was about.

I think that's a more healthy way to approach these things.

And perhaps, we should compartmentalize a bit more:
Decrying tactics -such as this or any other smearing campaign- when they are bad (yes, there are bad tactics, not just bad targets).
And debate ideas separately on their own merits.