Alison Rapp fired by Nintendo

[breadisfunny]

Your ancestors were pedophiles. You are a product of pedophilia, somewhere along the line.

that's some pretty awful logic you got there for defending pedophilia.

[Underverse]

Not sure what that has to do with anything. We're likely all the products of all sorts of awful things, doesn't make them good.

Our ancestors did a lot of fucked up things which are probably frowned upon nowadays.

You mean back in the time they owned slaves, burned "witches", and other horrendous acts? Yeah let's go back to that time

Sure. But those other acts have moral injustifications. There's no data to suggest that post-pubertal individuals - which we are apparently calling children - inherently suffer from sexual acts. Indeed sexual acts, if anything, are inherently positive, as they are pleasurable and form pair bonds, which are essential for a social society.

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that's some pretty awful logic you got there for defending pedophilia.

Awful as in a moral judgement, or inconsistent?

Te first is subjective, so I won't argue either way on that. But my argument is logically consistent.

[Kathandira]

your either with them or against them. all the defenders of pedophiles and child molesters deserve the same fate as the pedophiles and molesters themselves. which is death. there is no acceptable defense of pedophilia at all.

I can understand if we are talking about literal children. But if someone is ready and understand sex by the age of 16, I feel they can make their own choices.

Predators I can agree with you on. But if both consented to it, then so be it. In NJ the age parental consent is 16, and personal consent is 18. All i'm suggesting is removing the parental consent portion of it. If a 16 year old wants to have sex with a 30 year old, then that is between them.

Lets also not forget, just about a decade ago, I was able to get my learners permit to drive a vehicle. But at that age, I wasn't allowed to have sex unless my parents said it was ok. I can put the lives of many at risk, but couldn't decide about my own life.

[Jotaux]

The fact that college papers are being dug up and used to attempt to hurt someone's credibility and image is worrisome to me. I have had college writing classes where we are supposed to write and defend an indefensible topic as a logic exercise. In one of those cases I wrote a paper defending slavery in the United States. I really hope that never gets dug up and used on me someday.

Well from those tweets she brings up the college papers on her own and defends them. I mean if you were to bring slavery, then show your paper and constantly talk about how we should go back to it, I would expect you to get the same treatment.

[Underverse]

I can understand if we are talking about literal children.

I don't think you have to/should concede this position. Parents will spank their kids, shout at them, force them to do a plethora of things they clearly do not consent to. These things are parts of parenting that we've accepted. Yet when if a parent were to calm a kid down using pleasure as a tool - as bonobo mothers do with their children - they deserve to have their limbs ripped from their bodies - they've committed a crime worse than rape and murder (of an adult) combined.

This disgust is a social phenomenon. There is no logic behind it, yet people accept it because the risk of not doing so is just too big. It's absolutely insane.

[Yarathir]

The fact that college papers are being dug up and used to attempt to hurt someone's credibility and image is worrisome to me. I have had college writing classes where we are supposed to write and defend an indefensible topic as a logic exercise. In one of those cases I wrote a paper defending slavery in the United States. I really hope that never gets dug up and used on me someday.

Honestly, let's not pretend that everything exists in a vacuum. It's not all separate. There are tweets, her thesis paper, her responses to an article about someone being punished for owning child pornography. It all adds up to create a very clear message about what Alison is actually advocating for. The fact that some people here are trying to cram the very shaky benefit of the doubt down our throats boggles me, and I've seen quite a lot of heinous and weird shit being justified by people here.

[Sama-81]

I don't think you have to/should concede this position. Parents will spank their kids, shout at them, force them to do a plethora of things they clearly do not consent to. These things are parts of parenting that we've accepted. Yet when if a parent were to calm a kid down using pleasure as a tool - as bonobo mothers do with their children - they deserve to have their limbs ripped from their bodies - they've committed a crime worse than rape and murder (of an adult) combined.

The overall argument aside, not really sure why the nature of bonobos would be any kind of motivator, whatsoever, in regards to us. Strangely enough, people react with outrage if you kill and eat another persons infant, yet this is nothing strange to chimpanzees, the by far closest relative to bonobos (which themselves are hardly saints - they at the least hunt and eat babies of other primate species, if not their own (which in turn is likely only due to them simply being unable to determine which baby is their own*, and not someone elses)).

Age of consent obviously isn't set in stone (the actual number, that is), but it should be acknowledged that a 16 year old simply is not at the end of their mental development, and a standard 18 year old will be able to make markedly better decisions for themselves, compared to a standard 16 year old. That doesn't mean, of course, that 16 years of age (or some other clearly defined age) can't be the age of consent, but we shouldn't pretend that there isn't a very valid reason for having an age of consent in the first place (that by it's very nature, will lead to people questioning it), or for parents being able to make decisions for their children, whether or not the child agrees or disagrees with that decision.


* Edit: Well, to be fair, it could have something to do with the matriarchal structure as well.

[hrugner]

The worst part IMO is the fact that she fabricated a big case of harrasment against her. According to her over a 6 month span she received 49 messages of "gendered hatered" towards her. The comments where from 4chan, 8chan and a forum which are places known for harsh/edgy/hateful comments. These 49 messages she highlighted she forgot to mention was from a pile of over 2000 comments, most which had positive attitude towards her. She also edited some comments to make them seem more harsh. She is basically copying other "proffesional victims" like Sarkeesian, Wu and Quinn, just to try to gather some sympathy and blame Patriarchy/Gamergate/Nintendo for being bad.

The impression I got reading over chan posts was that very few people thought she was a big problem, not surprising all things considered. 2.5% of the posts being "gendered hatred" seems about right, I'm not feeling motivated, but I'd imagine combing through to check duplicate posters would show that much of it was from the same source. GG specifically lost interest when she ended up not being part of the localization crew.

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I can understand if we are talking about literal children. But if someone is ready and understand sex by the age of 16, I feel they can make their own choices.

That criteria in the US would shoot the age of consent up to 30. Our sexual puritanism and poor sex education leave us with sexual imbeciles till well into adulthood.

[Deldavala]

The impression I got reading over chan posts was that very few people thought she was a big problem, not surprising all things considered. 2.5% of the posts being "gendered hatred" seems about right, I'm not feeling motivated, but I'd imagine combing through to check duplicate posters would show that much of it was from the same source. GG specifically lost interest when she ended up not being part of the localization crew.

Someone already combed through it all. But 4chan/8chan are only Anons, but it could be like you said a few people saying different things several times. The fact that you only get 2.5% comments as harrasment is also quite the achivement. Those boards are cesspool of filth, so she was deliberatly fishing for harrasment to build herself as a victim.

[Kathandira]

That criteria in the US would shoot the age of consent up to 30. Our sexual puritanism and poor sex education leave us with sexual imbeciles till well into adulthood.

That is a sad truth. I'm hoping as those born in the 70's and early die out, the nation might become less prude. Consensual sex is ok, and shouldn't be something to be ashamed, or embarrassed about. It is perfectly natural for two consenting people to have sex. The fact that we hide it so much is very odd to me.

[Deleted]

I agreed with some of her points (minority, but still...), but she is so far gone and flat out batshitcrazy I rather have her shut the fuck up as she does more harm than good.

[Aggrophobic]

People like her will make up the new Left in a few decades. You people thinking that they'll stop with just Homosexuality are kidding yourselves.

What do you mean? Do go on.

[ADman319]

... cant tell if April fools prank or serious ....

[Mistame]

because it's still legally child porn cupcake.

Pedophilia is child porn? Interesting deduction.

your either with them or against them. all the defenders of pedophiles and child molesters deserve the same fate as the pedophiles and molesters themselves. which is death. there is no acceptable defense of pedophilia at all.

I don't think that word means what you think it does. And if you're an example of the bringers of this "fate", they've absolutely nothing to fear.

That is a sad truth. I'm hoping as those born in the 70's and early die out, the nation might become less prude.

You're targeting the wrong people, kiddo. It's not the people in their 40's that are "prude". It's the religious half-wits. Now back to your MLP.

[EventHorizon]

People like her will make up the new Left in a few decades. You people thinking that they'll stop with just Homosexuality are kidding yourselves.

So you're saying being pro-LGBT right equality is tantamount to being pro-paedophilia?

Also tell me more about why fighting (constructively) for homosexual equality is negative in the 21st century, please.

[Ebalina]

Every one is like huuur duur shes a pedo.

Lemme ask you something
There are many kids in the range of 13-14-15-16-17 years old that constantly have sex with their peers.
No one stops them they chose to do it.

Yes there plenty of child abusing scums out there i don't question this.

But lets be real sexuality is not what it used to be 20 years ago.
With access to internet and television(not so much these days) kids mature mentally way early then before.

The point im trying to make is she bat shit crazy but you cannot stop what she is saying.

[glo]

I love the instant persecution here... Pedophiles don't abuse kids, it's simply the orientation (it's as stupid as saying every straight guy rapes women). God knows, the overwhelming majority likely never touch a kid.

These people may need help, not instant death. The line of thinking in this thread is why so few ever seek support.

[Aori]

because it's still legally child porn cupcake.

What? that makes no sense. I never once mentioned pornography. Are you intentionally dense?

[Baracuda]

I kind of agree with her, it's mostly religious places like the US/ME that have high age limits and just because you consider 15-17 pedophilia doesn't mean the rest of the world does. I believe you stop being a child somewhere in the puberty but you can't really base laws on that, would be too subjective.

[Damajin]

I love the instant persecution here... Pedophiles don't abuse kids, it's simply the orientation (it's as stupid as saying every straight guy rapes women). God knows, the overwhelming majority likely never touch a kid.

These people may need help, not instant death. The line of thinking in this thread is why so few ever seek support.

The orientation in itself is wrong and should never be promoted as a valid, acceptable way of life. Anyone attempting to justify it, coddle it or shield it from criticism isn't doing themselves or these people who 'need help' credit or service. It's just enabling, no different than any other kind of enabling.

Read her tweets, she's attempting to validate pedophilia. Beyond repugnant. She wants to take the age play route in her private life that's one thing, but attempting to have a serious discourse on the merits of lowering age of consent and being tolerant towards pedophiles is a fucking joke.