Wisconsin GOP Primary

[alexw]

The U.S is slowly being dragged kicking and screaming into common sense when it comes to voting. ID for voting has been proven constitutional. The thought that current ID laws cause voter disenfranchisement has been shown to hold no water as democrats literally have trouble dragging people out o use them as examples. As in Wisconsin, states that pass ID laws allow for ID's to be used other than those strictly for driving so don't go there.

http://bringit.wisconsin.gov/do-i-have-right-photo-id


Also, this isn't exactly some law they passed yesterday, it was passed in 2011 and this this year it finally took effect. Seriously, if you cant get a free ID in 5 years time, your too stupid to fucking vote. This being the second major election in the state to fall under the ID law rules, as yesterday proved to be one where turnout shattered records, no real disenfranchisement occurred. I love to burst your bubble but an acceptable IDs used for voting here can provided at the states expense. Hell even Canada has ID laws for voting and you know how they are all about voter suppression.

What is it with you right wingers and the denial of reality? Honestly how on earth do you come to the conclusions you do when all the evidence says the exact opposite?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-republicans/

The study's authors controlled for a wide variety of factors known to affect voter turnout -- age, education, income, marital status, etc.

They also controlled for other state laws that affect participation, like early voting. And they considered less-tangible aspects that influence turnout, like the competitiveness of races and whether the election was held during a presidential contest year or an off-year.

After controlling for all these factors, they found "substantial drops in turnout for minorities under strict voter ID laws." Their analysis suggests that turnout for Latino voters was suppressed by 10.8 points in states with strict photo ID laws, compared to states without them. For multiracial Americans, the drop was 12.8 points.

The laws also increased the participation gap between whites and non-whites. "For Latinos in the general election, the predicted gap from whites doubled from 5.3 points in states without strict photo ID laws to 11.9 in states with strict photo ID laws," the study found. For black voters in the primaries, the strict photo ID laws caused the gap with white voters to almost double to 8.5 points.

The net effect of all this? "Democratic turnout drops by an estimated 7.7 percentage points in general elections when strict photo identification laws are in place." Democrats weren't the only ones affected, either. The data showed that Republican turnout was depressed by 4.6 percentage points too.

But the laws disproportionately affected Democratic voters.

We full well know with 100% accuracy that these laws suppress democratic votes and that that is why republicans implement them. Republicans have gone on record numerous times admitting to this.

[Felya]

Oh please......

We just had an election in addition to primaries, hate to burst your uninformed bubble. Yesterday we had a huge young, old and minority turnout, smashed participation records in almost every category and somehow this is suppose to be totally different from the election in November?

Primaries do not have the same voter registration or voter requirements, in some states you need to be registered to the specific party to be even able to vote in primaries. You are using primaries which show higher turn out for republicans, to show that voter ID does not work to alienate voter demographics that primarily vote democrats. It makes no sense, not due to my ignorance or some bubble, but a false equivalency of primaries relating to general elections.

Sorry, not buying it.

You don't have to buy it... Wisconsin congressman confirmed it yesterday, so you buying or not is irrelevant.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0a506064d90cf

Grothman told WTMJ-4’s Charles Benson that despite past GOP candidates’ poor showings in the Badger State, this year will be different. “Now we have photo ID, and I think photo ID is gonna make a little bit of a difference as well,” he said.

Grothman said something similar in 2012, when he was minority assistant leader in the state Senate. At that time, he said the law, which he helped to pass in 2011, could help GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney if it were in effect for the November election because “people who vote inappropriately are more likely to vote Democrat.”

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Recent voters suppression rhetoric was just a boogieman created by democrats, it never really existed.

The boogie man of in person voter fraud was not created by democrats.

[ezgeze]

We full well know with 100% accuracy that these laws suppress democratic votes and that that is why republicans implement them. Republicans have gone on record numerous times admitting to this.

The study you are referring to stated that
* their methodology and research design have not ben vetted and is often difficult to determine firm conclusions on the impact of ID laws
* the study has no control for context, a critical omission given other factors like competition, spending, and mobilization both matter a lot for turnout and vary wildly across states and electoral years
*your linked study even acknowledge that ID laws sometimes increase turnout and sometimes decrease turnout. In reality, its a wash.

I actually laugh when people come out with studies linking election differences between the 2008 elections and claim 2008 turnout numbers are somehow representative of normal turnout by minority voters. Pro-tip, they aren't. 2008 elections were unique that for many minority voters the feeling of "making history" by voting in an incompetent buffoon drove them to the polls in abnormally high numbers. It should go without saying that in 2012 after the "Hope and Change" bullshit lost its luster that those same group of voters didn't show up to the polls in the same numbers. Don't blame that on the ID laws, when you have

http://www.blackpressusa.com/is-blac...f-under-obama/
Is Black America Better Off Under Obama?

What planet African Americans are doing “better off” on is unknown. What is known is that President Obama is about to leave office with African Americans in their worst economic situation since Ronald Reagan. A look at every key stat as President Obama starts his sixth year in office illustrates that.

Unemployment. The average Black unemployment under President Bush was 10 percent. The average under President Obama after six years is 14 percent. Black unemployment, “has always been double” [that of Whites] but it hasn’t always been 14 percent. The administration was silent when Black unemployment hit 16 percent – a 27-year high – in late 2011.

Poverty. The percentage of Blacks in poverty in 2009 was 25 percent; it is now 27 percent. The issue of poverty is rarely mentioned by the president or any members of his cabinet. Currently, more than 45 million people – 1 in 7 Americans – live below the poverty line.

The Black/White Wealth Gap. The wealth gap between Blacks and Whites in America is at a 24-year high. A December study by PEW Research Center revealed the average White household is worth $141,900, and the average Black household is worth $11,000. From 2010 to 2013, the median income for Black households plunged 9 percent.

Income inequality. “Between 2009 and 2012 the top one percent of Americans enjoyed 95 percent of all income gains, according to research from U.C. Berkeley,” reported The Atlantic. It was the worst since 1928. As income inequality has widened during President Obama’s time in office, the president has endorsed tax policy that has widened inequality, such as the Bush Tax cuts.

Education: The high school dropout rate has improved during the Obama administration. However, currently 42 percent of Black children attend high poverty schools, compared to only 6 percent of White students. The Department of Education’s change to Parent PLUS loans requirements cost HBCU’s more than $150 million and interrupted the educations of 28,000-plus HBCU students.

SBA Loans. In March 2014, the Wall Street Journal reported that only 1.7 percent of $23 billion in SBA loans went to Black-owned businesses in 2013, the lowest loan of SBA lending to Black businesses on record. During the Bush presidency, the percentage of SBA loans to Black businesses was 8 percent – more than four times the Obama rate.

Blame democrat policies that push minority populations into poverty and terrible schools for your problems.

[Symmone]

I guess Trump didnt do enough cheese pandering to win.

[ezgeze]

Primaries do not have the same voter registration or voter requirements, in some states you need to be registered to the specific party to be even able to vote in primaries. You are using primaries which show higher turn out for republicans, to show that voter ID does not work to alienate voter demographics that primarily vote democrats. It makes no sense, not due to my ignorance or some bubble, but a false equivalency of primaries relating to general elections.

Hello, we are talking about Wisconsin here. Requirements are the same, we have no party registration, etc.
Yet more proof you don't seem to grasp Wisconsin voting.

Remember, this law was passed in 2011 when in 2008+2009....

In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Sean Cairncross, the Republican Party's chief lawyer said that ACORN is "engaged in systematic fraud and attempts to undermine our electoral system." This was in the wake of a report that had hired at least seven felons as voter registration workers in the city. As of early October, Milwaukee election officials have referred to the Milwaukee County district attorney’s office 49 cases of people who submitted potentially fraudulent registration cards.

Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Latoya Lewis pled guilty on October 12, 2009 on charges of voter registration fraud. Lewis, who was working for ACORN when she committed the acts in 2008 that led to her guilty plea, said she was trying to "meet her quota as a paid registrar."

You don't have to buy it... Wisconsin congressman confirmed it yesterday, so you buying or not is irrelevant.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0a506064d90cf

http://watchdog.org/31001/shno-wisco...ns-complaints/
Wisconsin’s hotel voters raise questions, complaints
Numerous examples like this occurred in Wisconsin. You literally had paid SEIU and other union thugs being bussed into the state, all registered to the same hotel room, game the same day registration laws by registering the same day as an election then run back to whatever state their unions bussed from when it was over.

Grothman was referring to these kinds of tactics the left here liked to employ.

The boogie man of in person voter fraud was not created by democrats.

Again, the law has been overwhelmingly approved by the voters of my state and has been proven to be constitutional. Maybe its time you your ilk to move on.

[alexw]

The study you are referring to stated that
* their methodology and research design have not ben vetted and is often difficult to determine firm conclusions on the impact of ID laws
* the study has no control for context, a critical omission given other factors like competition, spending, and mobilization both matter a lot for turnout and vary wildly across states and electoral years
*your linked study even acknowledge that ID laws sometimes increase turnout and sometimes decrease turnout. In reality, its a wash.

I actually laugh when people come out with studies linking election differences between the 2008 elections and claim 2008 turnout numbers are somehow representative of normal turnout by minority voters. Pro-tip, they aren't. 2008 elections were unique that for many minority voters the feeling of "making history" by voting in an incompetent buffoon drove them to the polls in abnormally high numbers. It should go without saying that in 2012 after the "Hope and Change" bullshit lost its luster that those same group of voters didn't show up to the polls in the same numbers. Don't blame that on the ID laws, when you have

http://www.blackpressusa.com/is-blac...f-under-obama/
Is Black America Better Off Under Obama?


Blame democrat policies that push minority populations into poverty and terrible schools for your problems.

Cue more reality denial......

What a surprise.....

But I'm OK with it. Democrats pretty much have a guaranteed lock on the white house, and all this voter suppression just turns the suppressed groups even more away from republicans, further hastening their demographic slide into oblivion.

[Felya]

Hello, we are talking about Wisconsin here. Requirements are the same, we have no party registration, etc.
Yet more proof you don't seem to grasp Wisconsin voting.

No, I am grasping it just fine. You are trying to sensationalize the issue with pretty much bullshit that has no impact on voter ID and trying to use ACORN due to the video controversy over it in 2009. A controversy that they were found not guilty of...

was referring to these kinds of tactics the left here liked to employ.

This registration fraud wouldn't be countered by voter ID, because the man she registered was already registered and wold have ID to follow the registration. The solution to her fraud was already in place, as in, there is no need for additional screwteny, when your example shows registration works. The same thing is true for felons, where being registered, they would be confirmed with their ID to their registration. You are not actually proving your point here, but the opposite...

Again, the law has been overwhelmingly approved by the voters of my state and has been proven to be constitutional. Maybe its time you your ilk to move on.

Baiscally, you are just telling me to shut up now? I do not care that the majority voted for it, because those who are denied voting as a result of voter ID are the minority.

[DeadmanWalking]

Trump stepped into Wisconsin taking shots at Govenor Scott walker because he had beat him in the nominee battle from last time and it was a huge misstep because among Republicans Scott Walker is held in high regard due to winning against unions. When Trump took shots (immature shots no less) the voters realized that Trump wasn't much of a Republican if he was taking verbal shots at Walker.

Trumps misstep comes from not knowing what a republican is because he isn't really a Republican.

[ezgeze]

My god are you dense Felya.

The acorn example I provided was one example that occurred in Wisconsin and she pleaded guilty.

The Hotel registration/voting some unions were running in my state would be countered by the state ID law because in order to register and vote now you need a Wisconsin ID. All you needed before to register was as little as a bill or other selected mail sent to you at any address in the district you are trying to register for. You can no longer have out of state union thugs try and use a single hotel room and vote. Sorry.
To cover registration fraud specifically, Wisconsin just recently passed a law to target/combat that type problem. I never mentioned the law in this thread because it was never brought up and correctly assumed you were ignorant on that law as well.

Just like the left likes to state that climate change is "settled" and everyone needs to accept and move on, I am only returning that right back at you.

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Trump stepped into Wisconsin taking shots at Govenor Scott walker because he had beat him in the nominee battle from last time and it was a huge misstep because among Republicans Scott Walker is held in high regard due to winning against unions. When Trump took shots (immature shots no less) the voters realized that Trump wasn't much of a Republican if he was taking verbal shots at Walker.

Trumps misstep comes from not knowing what a republican is because he isn't really a Republican.

ding, ding, ding! WINNER

One thing though, the right likes Walker for more than reigning in public unions abuses, he also pushed through concealed carry, right to work, repealed prevailing wage, lowered property taxes, voter ID, expanded school choice, disbanded the GAB, rejected obmacares expansion money, etc.

I would also like to take a moment to mention that the left in Wisconsin actually created walker, it was the lefts abuses in Milwaukee and their pension scandal that got walker elected in Milwaukee as the county executive in the first place.