Classic World of Warcraft Discussion [Megathread]

[Eliseus]

My friend and myself who raided Sunwell is laughing at you right now, cause we know you're full of shit.

Must of just played with bad players, though we were successfully raiding. I think, unless it was all a dream. Dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[Gsara]

Well I saw Chimaera Shot on a video of a hunter playing. That wasn't added until the LK expansion.

Link the video, it wasnt nost if it was. I played a hunter on Nost and didnt have CS.

[Borigrad]

Btw, arguing aside I love your avatar.

It's this or Hank Scorpio with a flame thrower, but someone else already uses it on MMO-C

[Pann]

Depends how low the subs are now. If it was 3M, I could see it getting up to 9M. If it was 5M, then obviously 15M won't happen.

Even at 3 million sure I am pretty sure there is absolutely no way they will triple. I see vanilla server's value more in sub retention than attracting a massive influx of subs and I would think that even a million extra players would be a great achievement. I would imagine that if Blizzard thought they could get an extra million they would jump at the chance rather than their half-arsed pristine servers.

[StannMann]

They did, they werent using a wotlk client.

I can say that the demonology tree for the client was most certainly not the WotLK tree. No metamorphosis and no felguard, just augments to summoning and conjuring. Maybe chimaera shot shares an animation with something else?

[Khain]

In vanilla PvP

-A good player could take out 3-10 solo, your skill mattered more
-You could solo objectives even if your team sucked.
-World PvP was a thing
-You could gear up both in PvE and PvP making it more meaningful

Just no brow! a lot of newbs were gods at Vanilla because of the gear difference, it was the most imbalanced wow have ever been, people with pvp gear or like tier 3 would just shit in everyone no skill required everything was like 1-2 shots.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Blizz tweeted this GIF:




Either it's a sign, or they are trolling the hell out of us!


https://twitter.com/Blizzard_Ent/sta...24670353694721

I saw that! I laughed when it appeared. Four characters, with old models and vanilla gear? Right before they invite Nostalrius and Mark Kern at their campus?

Yeah, I've got a good feeling about this.

[Eapoe]

Why feel bad for us. Mark has a meeting with Nost people. More than I could of ever hoped for. If Mark wasn't involved I'm sure we would still be sitting out here just giving up again after people like you spew ignorance. I'm not saying he is best man for the job, but he has without a doubt after seeing they have a meeting is helping us be heard.

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So is this a no? You won't provide anything? I'm not asking for an excuse. Just yes or no. Will you provide anything? I once even asked for at least a news article for your local news station.

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Logic now equals not presenting anything to your argument? Cool, good to know.

If you can literally read thru exact presentation of what you are claiming doesn't exist, and then follow up by saying nothing was presented, how have you managed to ever come across as reasonable? Quite reasonably states exactly my point and why those hold true, but sure, there's nothing there.
You are quite definitively proving that logic and common sense escapes you when you follow up with posts like that one.

[Borigrad]

So lets take live PvP.

-being a good player doesnt matter, if your team sucks, youre gonna lose no matter what.
-team with good healers always beats the team with no/bad healers.
-Playing is mostly pointless cause you have no progression.. couldnt care less about prestige crap

In vanilla PvP

-A good player could take out 3-10 solo, your skill mattered more
-You could solo objectives even if your team sucked.
-World PvP was a thing
-You could gear up both in PvE and PvP making it more meaningful

To even imply that the skill level in Vanilla matters more than it does right now, is such a facetious argument that there is no reply to it.

[Eliseus]

I saw that! I laughed when it appeared. Four characters, with old models and vanilla gear? Right before they invite Nostalrius and Mark Kern at their campus?

Yeah, I've got a good feeling about this.

This may sound corny, but thinking about the exact same thing gave me goosebumps, in a good way.

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If you can literally read thru exact presentation of what you are claiming doesn't exist, and then follow up by saying nothing was presented, how have you managed to ever come across as reasonable? Quite reasonably states exactly my point and why those hold true, but sure, there's nothing there.
You are quite definitively proving that logic and common sense escapes you when you follow up with posts like that one.

K

[Tharkkun]

I thought they ran off the 1.12 patch, the September 2006 patch before TBC?

I'm watching someone videos and I think I'm wrong. Now to find the hunter video again I saw with LK skills.

[Dacien]

I'm watching someone videos and I think I'm wrong. Now to find the hunter video again I saw with LK skills.

I never played on Nostalrius, so I'm getting all my information about it second-hand. I would have been shocked if they were claiming Vanilla WoW on a Wrath timeline!

Not that Wrath is necessarily bad per se; I would consider Vanilla to mid-Wrath "Classic WoW", in my own personal opinion. Things strayed from classic with heirlooms and LFD imho.

[Deleted]

Even at 3 million sure I am pretty sure there is absolutely no way they will triple.

It would be a long shot for sure, but I don't think it's impossible. Subs spiked to that level with WoD, many of whom were old players who thought it was the second coming of TBC. Also if it works out, it could create a positive feedback loop where players bring their old friends and guild mates back into the game.

[Deleted]

Just no brow! a lot of newbs were gods at Vanilla because of the gear difference, it was the most imbalanced wow have ever been, people with pvp gear or like tier 3 would just shit in everyone no skill required everything was like 1-2 shots.

Yep and that was enjoyable in a way that you could clearly sense the progression. As in there are a lot of videos around where a skilled rogue solos someone with amazing gear naked and stuff like that. It was doable for sure. You didnt need godlike gear to win. Hell, I remember me and my bf had level 49s and we beat a level 60 in tier 1 easily.

But yes, even a semi skilled newb with good gear (it took at least some skill to actually get said gear back then, mind you) could stomp other newbs with bad gear and its how I think it should be. Disagreeing with that would be stupid cause no one argues when you grind a bunch of level 90s to dust with with your level 100. Why shouldnt it be the same between someone in greens vs someone in top gear?

To even imply that the skill level in Vanilla matters more than it does right now, is such a facetious argument that there is no reply to it.

Id like to see you solo a good resto druid as any class, especially in the world Used to be quite easy back in Vanilla.

[Eliseus]

My hope is that WoW does these servers right and create a server to reference in all games now. Create a new way to play games where nothing is gone every anymore basically. FFXI is one of the only MMOs I know of today that you can still do everything from the beginning, and even they have a lot of QoL changes.

[Roar-Powah]

Again, barely viable. Being brought cause you can drop a totem, doesn't a class balance make. Also because Bloodlust was so powerful. But if any other class could provide those effects, shamans wouldn't of been brought to raids.

So you're trying to tell me when i was raiding on my Shaman in TBC i was dreaming? Yes Bloodlust was powerful but like i said, Enhance was very good dps up until Black Temple in TBC and was decent in BWL + gear during Vanilla. I knew of a few guilds at the time on horde who had enhance shamans raiding and pulling good numbers. Back in Vanilla the raiding community was pretty close and you knew people from both factions. I had Horde / Alliance guilds at the time trying to steal me on my hunter for the fact i was damn good at my class. I had a lot of hunters on my server wanting to pay me to complete the bow / staff quest for them.(killing the Demons)

I'm getting off track here, but the fact remains i was in contact with a lot of different people from both factions and got to know a lot of people back then. I was all ways scared of Enhance shamans in PvP due to how crazy they could burst you down, and when i asked how they where in pvp i was told they did pretty good dps and could do enough damage to be middle / top of the pack. I never raided with a Shaman in Vanilla since i played Alliance back then but i 100% know how they preformed in TBC since my main was shaman in TBC. You had 4 Resto Shamans 1 Enhance in Black Temple / Sunwell in each different group for lust since lust back then was only group wide + WF totem for the melee group. Everything up until BT i was enhance and I always sit around middle to near top in dps in the raids. They were nothing special but they were viable up to a certain point tho.

[JunkHead]

Blizz tweeted this GIF:




Either it's a sign, or they are trolling the hell out of us!


https://twitter.com/Blizzard_Ent/sta...24670353694721

I'm gonna have to play the Negative Nancy role here. I saw something early today about #internationaldancingday. This might have just been the first gif they had of wow characters dancing and just slapped it up. I don't think it's an indication of anything legacy related. But that's just me.

[Eleccybubb]

So when are they actually meeting with Kern and Nost?

[Dacien]

So when are they actually meeting with Kern and Nost?

Mark Kern said he needs to hash out scheduling with Mike Morhaime, but that Mike has agreed to meet him.

As for Nost, they apparently have an announcement about it this weekend.

[Borigrad]

Id like to see you solo a good resto druid as any class, especially in the world Used to be quite easy back in Vanilla.

This is a stupid counter argument, the game isn't balanced around 1v1, on top of that in a purely 1v1 almost any class can out duel a healer cause they'll out last their mana bar.

Also PvP in Vanilla was based on gear, not skill. You're the first person to actually say that Vanilla took more skill ever.