Authors I have enjoyed enough to mention here: JRR Tolkein, Poul Anderson,Jack Vance, Gene Wolfe, Glen Cook, Brian Stableford, MAR Barker, Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle, WM Hodgson, Fredrick Brown, Robert SheckleyJohn Steakley, Joe Abercrombie, Robert Silverberg, the norse sagas, CJ Cherryh, PG Wodehouse, Clark Ashton Smith, Alastair Reynolds, Cordwainer Smith, LE Modesitt, L. Sprague de Camp & Fletcher Pratt, Stephen R Donaldon, and Jack L Chalker.
So you're saying that a small group of fans is more capable than Blizzard themselves? Because Nostalrius had very minimal number of bugs, if they could get a Vanilla server running then why can't Blizzard themselves?
I think Blizzard is still in denial. But maybe this shitstorm they unleashed by closing Nostalrius will open their eyes. Blizzard opening official Vanilla servers would be a blast.
Because, while there was a time in which Blizzard would say "Yeah, that'd be neat! Have fun, folk!"; However, over the course of the years, it's all about how much justifies X and if implement Z is financially viable and if it's content worth implementing, and so on (read: the entire discussion around LFR and how it justifies PvE End-Game, blabla)
A free Legacy server, while awesome for the specific players who are interested in it, would by default be a very small, niche community. But as it's free, it's a "dead weight" to Activision-Blizzard. It's not self-sustainable, therefore something, somewhere, has to suffer for it - in other words, it's not justifiable.
Now, we could go with a paid Legacy Server. However, imagining that already small and niche community with the free server, imagine how smaller it would be if one had to monthly pay in order to be able to access stale content, that will receive no (to barely any) updates. It would, once again, not be justifiable.
Authors I have enjoyed enough to mention here: JRR Tolkein, Poul Anderson,Jack Vance, Gene Wolfe, Glen Cook, Brian Stableford, MAR Barker, Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle, WM Hodgson, Fredrick Brown, Robert SheckleyJohn Steakley, Joe Abercrombie, Robert Silverberg, the norse sagas, CJ Cherryh, PG Wodehouse, Clark Ashton Smith, Alastair Reynolds, Cordwainer Smith, LE Modesitt, L. Sprague de Camp & Fletcher Pratt, Stephen R Donaldon, and Jack L Chalker.
hmm... thanks for making my point again???
Eve has been around for over 10 years and has 30k people logging in at peak times on average. Nostalrius was around 1 year, its existence heavily suppressed and it still got to what 8k users a day? That's incredible for an illegitimate service that not many people know about, or that people knew about, wanted to play but foresaw the ending result from Blizzard.
Props to mmochampion for posting that Nostalrius letter on the front page. It's good they are allowing discussion on this.
It's clear to me why Blizzard doesn't want Legacy servers: They want people playing the current version of the game. The current state of the game relies on random grouping for dungeons, pvp, raids, etc. Every player who is playing on a legacy server for vanilla, TBC, Wotlk, Cata or MoP is taken out of the current environment and potentially unavailable for LFR, LFD, PVP, etc.
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Legally, yes, but I already stated plenty times, including in that post, that the activit is illegal. I'm not discussing legality, I'm discussing morality. And as far as anything else than strict definitions, the game is indeed very different, to the extent of many of the zones, npcs, items, instances, spells, features and gameplay mechanics not being accessible/reproducable in-game on retail anymore.
Yes, "technically" it's the same game, but from a user experience prespective, it's a completly different game.
It's as stark a difference as this to this. Or this to this.
(Not claiming those are parallels in the sense that they're also the same game, just from how different these versions of these games are and how different of an experience they despite having the same name, same IP, etc)
Again, defenders of the server miss the entire point in defense of their desired outcome.
Taking an established IP without authorization and using it for its protected purpose is theft.
That's the SUM TOTAL of the argument. That's the whole thing. The questions presented are one liners.
1. Was this IP protected: Yes.
2. Was this IP taken by an outside source: Yes.
3. Did the outside source have authorization to do so: No.
Open and shut. Nothing else matters. Not a single additional comment, reason, rationale, or explanation is relevant in the slightest. These are the elements of infringement when replicating a protected intellectual property. So whatever other crap you try to load onto the truck in order to muddy the waters, these three things remain material, clear, and absolute.
I'm genuinely sorry for the people who feel betrayed by the loss of the game they've stolen.
Not because they lost it, but because they're too clouded by their disappointment to understand that they stole it in the first place.
Every MINUTE spent on a private server is material theft. You may LIKE the fact that you get something someone else sells for free, but most thieves do like the benefits of theft. It's fun to get stuff for free.
But it's still theft.
well it is the entrance of large publicly traded companies into video games - it is design by spreadsheet. it is the main reason I don't think blizzard today is institutionally capable of released an unperverted classic server. so much of the game as it was would go against everything they have tried to make the game into.
Authors I have enjoyed enough to mention here: JRR Tolkein, Poul Anderson,Jack Vance, Gene Wolfe, Glen Cook, Brian Stableford, MAR Barker, Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle, WM Hodgson, Fredrick Brown, Robert SheckleyJohn Steakley, Joe Abercrombie, Robert Silverberg, the norse sagas, CJ Cherryh, PG Wodehouse, Clark Ashton Smith, Alastair Reynolds, Cordwainer Smith, LE Modesitt, L. Sprague de Camp & Fletcher Pratt, Stephen R Donaldon, and Jack L Chalker.
Because
A. Nos crew doesn't have to integrate Battle.net and all the other features the platform currently has.
B. Nos crew is emulating, Blizzard have to redo the code from scratch, code which they dont have anymore.
C. Let's say a bug causes the server to lag/crash over several days, let's compare each forum to eachother
Nos: It's okay guys, do anything you can to get the servers up again, loving the dedication!
Blizz: OMFG BLIZZ I TOOK 4 DAYS OFF WORK SO I COULD SIT IN MY TANK TOP PLAYING VANILLA BUT YOU CANT EVEN FUCKING KEEP THE SERVERS UP, YOU FUCKING TRASHBAGS.
Authors I have enjoyed enough to mention here: JRR Tolkein, Poul Anderson,Jack Vance, Gene Wolfe, Glen Cook, Brian Stableford, MAR Barker, Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle, WM Hodgson, Fredrick Brown, Robert SheckleyJohn Steakley, Joe Abercrombie, Robert Silverberg, the norse sagas, CJ Cherryh, PG Wodehouse, Clark Ashton Smith, Alastair Reynolds, Cordwainer Smith, LE Modesitt, L. Sprague de Camp & Fletcher Pratt, Stephen R Donaldon, and Jack L Chalker.
About as fun as running circles in IF spamming "LFG UBRS Will Tank, have ring" and being told "LOL DROODS CANT TANK" and the like... oh wait that was terrible and stupid. TBC at least would make slightly more sense but even then... meh. Let's go with Wrath or Cata maybe if we're picking from a set of rose tinted glasses.