Are young people less mature this generation

[Deleted]

Yep, you're referring to the "masculinity crisis" that is upon us in the west where previously privileged white men are suffering from the pressures of rapid economic and social change which have placed a massive strain on the masculine identity. For example, men are more likely to take their own lives than women, have lower educational attainment at all levels of the education system, are more likely to be homeless, and are less likely to access health services.

Man-child has nothing to do with masculinity

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In fact many children care for their disabled or otherwise failing older parents/guardians so go on and tell them they're immature.


You're another old fart.

Actually statistically that's less so now! There's actually a shortage of young carers because most don't actually consider it a job opportunity

[tankbug]

A proper education > start working early
Experiencing stuff > getting babies early

They aren't less mature, they just settle down later than before, which is fine.

[Tuesdays]

In my experience working with young adults, is that they are just as clueless as we were at that age; however I believe they have a different outlook, because times have changed.

[Shinra1]

Actually statistically that's less so now! There's actually a shortage of young carers because most don't actually consider it a job opportunity

And whose fault is that? Old people's fault because the didn't teach their children the importance of caring for the elderly. Who puts elderly parents in carehomes old people age 25+ not 18-25 year old. So get your facts straight, Adam.
Just take a look at non-western cultures and how a lot of stress is placed on kids looking after the elderly and how it's normal for elderly relatives/extended family to live in the same household.

Yes, Adam. You need to focus on the facts.

[Deleted]

A proper education > start working early
Experiencing stuff > getting babies early

They aren't less mature, they just settle down later than before, which is fine.

I aren't suggesting it's really an issue though I still argue real life experience trumps academic experience

[Deathquoi]

No. The reason why your elders moved out earlier was because housing wasn't as stupidly expensive as it is now and you didn't need mountains of student loans to get a decent job.

[Soeroah]

Every generation thinks they are better than the generation preceding and succeeding it.

Vsauce has a great video on Juvenoia. Should watch it.

In any case, is it fair to call the younger generation "less mature" when they'll probably live longer? Sure they might get to an arbitrary "mature" point later, but their life expectancy is generally higher so it's more like their life experience is stretched out than that they'll stagnate.

I mean, that line of thinking makes about as much sense as most generational debates, so why not.

[Deleted]

And whose fault is that? Old people's fault because the didn't teach their children the importance of caring for the elderly. Who puts elderly parents in carehomes old people age 25+ not 18-25 year old. So get your facts straight, Adam.
Just take a look at non-western cultures and how a lot of stress is placed on kids looking after the elderly and how it's normal for elderly relatives/extended family to live in the same household.

Yes, Adam. You need to focus on the facts.

What facts? People are put into carehomes more than 40 years ago? That doesn't help your 'youg people are more caring' point

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Every generation thinks they are better than the generation preceding and succeeding it.

Vsauce has a great video on Juvenoia. Should watch it.

In any case, is it fair to call the younger generation "less mature" when they'll probably live longer? Sure they might get to an arbitrary "mature" point later, but their life expectancy is generally higher so it's more like their life experience is stretched out than that they'll stagnate.

I mean, that line of thinking makes about as much sense as most generational debates, so why not.

Again that's another point - we're living longer thus can afford to mature later

[Shinra1]

Man-child has nothing to do with masculinity

Adult men becoming man-childs has everything to do with masculinity. Watching Anime, playing video games...waiting longer to marry and have children have contributed to men having less responsibility

[Xeones]

A discussion I was having with my mother (64), sister (42) and aunt (67) about young people aged between 18-25. Essentially we were questioning whether they're less mature due to gaining world experience at a much later age. For example my mother and sister at 18 had moved out, learned to drive and had a steady career whereas today that is less common. Granted this is mostly the governments fault as they encourage you to stay in education till 25 and as useful as that is academical colleges / uni's generally are their own self contained realities.

Personally I know not EVERY 18-25 is less mature than that age group 20 years ago BUT I suspect a large majority are in personal experience. What's your opinion?

Are the differences not apparent?

Kids are pushed into college where they get degrees for jobs that don't have openings and then they work at walmart. When you can't afford to move out of mommy and daddies house how are you supposed to mature?

[Deleted]

No. The reason why your elders moved out earlier was because housing wasn't as stupidly expensive as it is now and you didn't need mountains of student loans to get a decent job.

Agreed which is another reason people prolong education

[Toppy]

People in harsher earlier life conditions mature earlier. Still plenty of young folk having to grow up early to suit the needs of the family.

"man childs" have always been around and men have always been said to be more immature for whatever reason. Typically the definition of maturity being "You arent allowed to like things".

[Lady Dragonheart]

I think that every generation has their issues... just, the newer generations have more toys to use to display those issues... better.

[Deleted]

Adult men becoming man-childs has everything to do with masculinity. Watching Anime, playing video games...waiting longer to marry and have children have contributed to men having less responsibility

Again that has nothing to do with masculinity - do you even know what masculine means?

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Are the differences not apparent?

Kids are pushed into college where they get degrees for jobs that don't have openings and then they work at walmart. When you can't afford to move out of mommy and daddies house how are you supposed to mature?

I completely agree. It isn't young peoples faults, it's the unfortunate circumstances

[Shinra1]

Again that has nothing to do with masculinity - do you even know what masculine means?

Apparently you don't... This is why I avoid threads you start because you bring no value to the discussion just inane ramblings from an OAP

[Soeroah]

The question's kinda impossible to even be subjective in an unbiased manner, honestly. No one experiences childhood in multiple generations, so no one can fairly compare how different generations felt, developed or their pressures and stresses. The only people who "get" to make such an opinion are people who practically by definition are at a high risk of being nostalgic, biased and conservative in their views of what growing up means because hey, I grew up X way so that's "the norm", regardless of how different the world was then.

[Deleted]

Apparently you don't... This is why I avoid threads you start because you bring no value to the discussion just inane ramblings from an OAP

Masculinity
Possession of the qualities traditionally associated with men:
handsome, muscled, and driven, he’s a prime example of masculinity

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...sh/masculinity

[Narwal]

A discussion I was having with my mother (64), sister (42) and aunt (67) about young people aged between 18-25. Essentially we were questioning whether they're less mature due to gaining world experience at a much later age. For example my mother and sister at 18 had moved out, learned to drive and had a steady career whereas today that is less common. Granted this is mostly the governments fault as they encourage you to stay in education till 25 and as useful as that is academical colleges / uni's generally are their own self contained realities.

Personally I know not EVERY 18-25 is less mature than that age group 20 years ago BUT I suspect a large majority are in personal experience. What's your opinion?

It depends on your definition of mature. If self-sufficiency is the metric for maturity then yes, clearly people are out on their own much later in life these days on average. It doesn't necessarily mean they "act" much differently, but they may. Typically when you're on your own, you have less time and desire to partake in non-nonsensical actions.

[Revi]

I'd think yes on average in the western world. Being cuddled, shielded from challenges, not given responsibility, etc. etc. takes away a lot of opportunities to grow up and develop.

It's worse in the middle class and up in China though. Their one-child policy has created a super weird "generation" of only-child's that the families had to make sure succeeded. Being cuddled, given all the attention and treated as princes and princesses seems to have made them very poorly prepared to handle adult life on their own. Quite a few interesting articles about it floating around.

[Deleted]

This is why I avoid threads you start because you bring no value to the discussion just inane ramblings from an OAP

Again I like to point the irony of this coming from somebody notorious for being a sandwich short of a full picnic