People against socialized medicine but fast to spread Gofundme links for sick friends

[GennGreymane]

They are successful models, but they are also restrictions of freedom. Like I said many pages ago, Americans tend to have a problem with people taking away their freedoms.

I think single payer is a valid system, but it does involve the restrition of people's freedoms, so I do not support it. I think voluntary single payer sounds like an excellent idea.

Which freedoms are being taken away? You seem to be abusing this word (might have to call the cops for some abuse here) . Greece had a voluntary tax system (unofficially) that didn't end well. You are aware of how many people have to go to the ER for emergencies. In your head, do only people who pay in voluntarily get the health care? Or is it everyone? If its everyone, why are you allowing for moochers? If they cant, defeats the purpose of a single payer system.

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Of course you're happy, someone else is likely paying for your health care.
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And I'm paying for theirs, it's strange how a modern united democracy run country works isn't it. It's almost like we're a nation or something.

[alexw]

I'm pretty sure I have a good grasp on what freedom is.

Cars are not so heavily regulated as to limit the competition within the marketplace. The competition is what pushes the quality up. And I think it's pretty damn clear that the quality of automobiles has gone way up in the past 40 years.

Some countries do have better quality medical care, others do not. In America, the quality is low because there's very little competition. There's also a ridiculous amount of regulations that do nothing but slow down the processes. Drugs in other countries get approved much faster than in the United States. We also have laws stating you cannot purchase drugs overseas, which means we have to pay the price they demand.

Lol are you dumb? Cars are EXTREMELY regulated. Fuel efficiency, particle standards, tire wear standards, crash survivability, side impact strength, likelihood of rollovers on turns, the list is endless.

You don't have a friggin clue.

As for the rest the reason the US healthcare system is so costly is because its a for profit system that is designed to maximize those profits, whereas every other nation has healthcare with cost control built in. The US does not. And because healthcare is a market in which competition cannot ever work market forces don't drive costs down. Oh and the reason other countries have built in cost control measures is because they know market forces don't work but they don't have IQ 80 voters saying mu freedoms! and let the government drive down those costs.

[Machismo]

Which freedoms are being taken away? You seem to be abusing this word (might have to call the cops for some abuse here) . Greece had a voluntary tax system (unofficially) that didn't end well. You are aware of how many people have to go to the ER for emergencies. In your head, do only people who pay in voluntarily get the health care? Or is it everyone? If its everyone, why are you allowing for moochers? If they cant, defeats the purpose of a single payer system.

Single payer also allows for moochers. In a voluntary single payer, only those who have signed up for it are covered by it.

And yes, taxation is technically a restriction of freedom. Most people are fine with it, because they want the government to provide certain things. Many would not consider it a restrction of freedom, because they have been living with it their entire lives, and don't know a life without it. The more money you take, the more freedoms are being restricted. Americans tend to have a lower tolerance for such restrictions (or at least want things spent on very different things). A lot of that can be attributed to our terrible two-party system... but that is a conversation for another time.

[GennGreymane]

Single payer also allows for moochers. In a voluntary single payer, only those who have signed up for it are covered by it.

And yes, taxation is technically a restriction of freedom. Most people are fine with it, because they want the government to provide certain things. Many would not consider it a restrction of freedom, because they have been living with it their entire lives, and don't know a life without it. The more money you take, the more freedoms are being restricted. Americans tend to have a lower tolerance for such restrictions (or at least want things spent on very different things). A lot of that can be attributed to our terrible two-party system... but that is a conversation for another time.

I feel like you are someone who took a poli sci 101 class for the first time and is trying to tell the world how enlightened you are. None of what you say is very logical. You just use freedom as a buzzword to make your argument seem appealing, yet your arguments lack substance.

Now can you stop abusing the word freedom? One of the (e)s is falling off, the m is now an n and the f is broken in half.

[Machismo]

Lol are you dumb? Cars are EXTREMELY regulated. Fuel efficiency, particle standards, tire wear standards, crash survivability, side impact strength, likelihood of rollovers on turns, the list is endless.

You don't have a friggin clue.

And many of those regulations are new, meaning cars are going to get even more expensive. The quality of American cars in the 1970's was terrible, and it took the Japanese automakers taking market share to get the Big Three to change with the times.

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I feel like you are someone who took a poli sci 101 class for the first time and is trying to tell the world how enlightened you are. None of what you say is very logical.

Naw, it's been 15 years since I went to college.

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And many of those regulations are new, meaning cars are going to get even more expensive. The quality of American cars in the 1970's was terrible, and it took the Japanese automakers taking market share to get the Big Three to change with the times.

Lolamericancars.

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I feel like you are someone who took a poli sci 101 class for the first time and is trying to tell the world how enlightened you are. None of what you say is very logical. You just use freedom as a buzzword to make your argument seem appealing, yet your arguments lack substance.

He sounds like Babbys first Libertarian. Where everything must be "Free" even when it's fucking stupid.

[GennGreymane]

And many of those regulations are new, meaning cars are going to get even more expensive. The quality of American cars in the 1970's was terrible, and it took the Japanese automakers taking market share to get the Big Three to change with the times.

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Naw, it's been 15 years since I went to college.

I guess you left after that 1 class then.

[araine]

I have a guy on my Facebook from high school who's pretty far right Republican. Loves Trump, thinks Obama is the worst president in US history, screams about his 2nd amendment rights being trampled on, and links articles all day from Fox News and other right wing sites. About a month ago he posted a rant about liberals and socialism, and how things like Obamacare and socialized medicine are just plain dumb.

I check my Facebook earlier tonight, and his best friend got into a bad motorcycle accident earlier in the day. Crashed into a guard rail and flew into the trees. Doesn't look like he's doing good either. Immediately he sets up a Gofundme account for him and is spamming the link every hour. Basically it says that his friend doesn't have insurance, and is raising money to pay for hospital bills and any other costs that will occur for medical attention.

So I think to myself "This is the same mofo that IS SOOOO against socialized medicine which would cover his friends healthcare, but he has the nerve to go around begging for money for him".

Isn't it abit hypocritical?

Just tell him that with true public healthcare your buddy would be getting all the care and treatment available and it wouldnt even cost him anything.



He proves whats wrong with the system today and why we MUST move to a true public healthcare system

[Machismo]

I guess you left after that 1 class then.

If you say so.

[Betelgeuse]

I don't care if you live or not, but I might care if a friend needs help. Does this put it into perspective? Death is not so bad, everybody has to do it eventually. I have had a few close relatives die and although it may have been heart-wrenching for me, you really couldn't give two shits. Those who pretend to care about every living creature are only fooling themselves and others like them. Flame on.

[GennGreymane]

If you say so.

Not giving me much evidence to the contrary here. I mean, you seem to be an expert on nurse training... without knowing about nurse training.

[alexw]

Of course you're happy, someone else is likely paying for your health care.

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The FDA is a pain-in-the ass bureaucracy that is controlled by the powerful health care companies. If you like it, good for you. I'll pass.

So you are happy to see 1+ million extra deaths a year? (which is what would result without it). You think that is a price worth paying?

[Deleted]

I don't care if you live or not, but I might care if a friend needs help. Does this put it into perspective? Death is not so bad, everybody has to do it eventually. I have had a few close relatives die and although it may have been heart-wrenching for me, you really couldn't give two shits. Those who pretend to care about every living creature are only fooling themselves and others like them. Flame on.

Hahahaha, oh god, we have the Pessimist trying to play the Nihilist here. It's like Sociology 101 in here indeed.

[alexw]

And many of those regulations are new, meaning cars are going to get even more expensive. The quality of American cars in the 1970's was terrible, and it took the Japanese automakers taking market share to get the Big Three to change with the times.

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Naw, it's been 15 years since I went to college.

Oh god. The reason cars are so much better now is BECAUSE of those regulations. They are forced to build cars that don't spew smoke, can survive crashes, don't roll over on the slightest bend, etc, etc.

[Machismo]

Not giving me much evidence to the contrary here. I mean, you seem to be an expert on nurse training... without knowing about nurse training.

Really, an MMO-champion prolific poster trying to claim some moral high ground? Really? It's clear you've spent more time on this site, trying to drum up controversy, than you ever did actually learnign anything in life. Sit back, and try to guess how many hours you have spent wasting your time trying to measure penises with complete strangers. You have 27,000 posts, and have started 1000 threads. By a conservative estimate, that is 2000-3000 (probably many more than that) hours spent staring at this page. What has that gotten you? Are you really going to try and toss an insult?

All I ever did, was state why some people would oppose single payer, because it is a restriction of freedom. And yes, it is a restriction of freedom, just as the ACA is.

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So you are happy to see 1+ million extra deaths a year? (which is what would result without it). You think that is a price worth paying?

Are you happy with a corrupt bureacracy controlling your health care? Their actions cost this country countless billions every year, making helath care unaffordable for many people, killing God knows how many in the process. That seems to be what you support.

[alexw]

Are you happy with a corrupt bureacracy controlling your health care? Their actions cost this country countless billions every year, making helath care unaffordable for many people, killing God knows how many in the process. That seems to be what you support.

Answer the question. Are you happy to see 1 million+ more deaths are year if your absolutely stupid idea of getting rid of the FDA, and thus the regulation of food and drugs?

And no the FDA does not make healthcare unaffordable. The FDA has nothing whatsoever to do with healthcare unaffordability. Every nation has a FDA-type system and they do not have such unaffordable healthcare.

[Ivanstone]

Single payer also allows for moochers. In a voluntary single payer, only those who have signed up for it are covered by it.

And yes, taxation is technically a restriction of freedom. Most people are fine with it, because they want the government to provide certain things. Many would not consider it a restrction of freedom, because they have been living with it their entire lives, and don't know a life without it. The more money you take, the more freedoms are being restricted. Americans tend to have a lower tolerance for such restrictions (or at least want things spent on very different things). A lot of that can be attributed to our terrible two-party system... but that is a conversation for another time.

American's don't care about freedom. Loudly bellowing about muh gunz and how the guv'mint hates baby Jeebus does not mean you're a freedom lover. The average tax hating, fed-hating Teahadist loves the government when its doing something about a group they don't like. Taking away gay rights, abortions and living in a surveillance state so ISIS and Mexicans leave you alone? They're all for it.

The idea of taxation being used to benefit your fellow man? Not so much.

If you love freedom so much, go live in Somalia. You'll get plenty of opportunity to be not troubled by taxes and you can live by your wits alone.

[Machismo]

Answer the question. Are you happy to see 1 million+ more deaths are year if your absolutely stupid idea of getting rid of the FDA, and thus the regulation of food and drugs?

And no the FDA does not make healthcare unaffordable. The FDA has nothing whatsoever to do with healthcare unaffordability. Every nation has a FDA-type system and they do not have such unaffordable healthcare.

I don't think an extra million people will die every year if the FDA went away. I would love to see how you get to that number.

The FDA absolutely makes health care unaffordable. When a company is given permission by the FDA to be the only one to sell progesterone, and then raises the costs significantly, they are helping to make it unaffordable.

[GennGreymane]

Really, an MMO-champion prolific poster trying to claim some moral high ground? Really? It's clear you've spent more time on this site, trying to drum up controversy, than you ever did actually learnign anything in life. Sit back, and try to guess how many hours you have spent wasting your time trying to measure penises with complete strangers. You have 27,000 posts, and have started 1000 threads. By a conservative estimate, that is 2000-3000 (probably many more than that) hours spent staring at this page. What has that gotten you? Are you really going to try and toss an insult?

All I ever did, was state why some people would oppose single payer, because it is a restriction of freedom. And yes, it is a restriction of freedom, just as the ACA is.

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Are you happy with a corrupt bureacracy controlling your health care? Their actions cost this country countless billions every year, making helath care unaffordable for many people, killing God knows how many in the process. That seems to be what you support.

Ah I finally got you to drop the act and get out your true colors here. Speaking of dick measuring contest, you're one to talk. What have you gotten out of this? I dont care.

I am sitting here, waiting for my friends so we can go to out. I am reading in the mean time and discussing things here. None of your business though. Did I hit a sore spot?

oh and you even went after post count... my goodness I must have hit a nerve... which nerve is it?