You won’t believe how little Bernie Sanders pays in taxes!

[Theinquisition]

Wouldn't that be third party? Or am I completely miss understanding the political party system?

Yes it would be.

There is absolutely nothing stopping someone from running as a third party, and if I remember correctly, if the nominee has at least 15% of the vote, they have to be included in the debates.

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The problem has been for a LONG time now that there is no such thing as actual compromise when it comes to congress, it is simply Democrats being paid a little bit more by their benefactors to move right. Compromise would entail a give and take from both sides equally. That is what Bernie takes issue with that leads him to call both parties the same. Essentially it breaks down to this, the Republican side has a lucrative contract with the devil, while the Democrat side claims a moral high ground because they only sell their souls one deal at a time.
Why should we be ok with one, but not the other?
Why should we be ok with either?
Have we not learned time and again that corporate interest run counter to public interest?
Isn't the role of a democratically elected government to protect it's citizens AGAINST tyranny?
Doesn't that give you a pretty clear picture of who actually controls the government?

You don't need to convince me of the corruption of the gov't, im with you (the leadership anyway, there are some awesome people out there working hard to keep shit working)

That's why im for a more limited Federal gov't with less power and strict budgetary controls.

[Deleted]

Yes it would be.

There is absolutely nothing stopping someone from running as a third party, and if I remember correctly, if the nominee has at least 15% of the vote, they have to be included in the debates.

Isn't it almost purely political suicide to run as a third party? Because that seems to be the notion that I have caught onto over the years.

[Theinquisition]

Isn't it almost purely political suicide to run as a third party? Because that seems to be the notion that I have caught onto over the years.

Well, the establishment has the advantage of a fundraising structure and garnishing the support of popular politicians. However if someone is popular enough, they can run effectively.

Honestly, I think the Bernie would have done BETTER if he ran as a third party candidate, there are more than enough naïve college students and left wing people out there to fund his campaign, and he wouldn't have to worry about superdelegates etc etc.

[Repefe]

You don't need to convince me of the corruption of the gov't, im with you (the leadership anyway, there are some awesome people out there working hard to keep shit working)

That's why im for a more limited Federal gov't with less power and strict budgetary controls.

Yet you still support candidates that welcome wall street money to support them like they are kids on sugar rush. Is it for the greater good ? Do you think that money comes without strings attached ?

[IIamaKing]

So, something his supporters will ignore and his opponents(who would never vote for him) will use to lambaste him. SO.....a wash then?

[Zenotetsuken]

Well, the establishment has the advantage of a fundraising structure and garnishing the support of popular politicians. However if someone is popular enough, they can run effectively.

Honestly, I think the Bernie would have done BETTER if he ran as a third party candidate, there are more than enough naïve college students and left wing people out there to fund his campaign, and he wouldn't have to worry about superdelegates etc etc.

If he would have ran as a 3rd party, it would split the democrat voter base, and thrown the presidency to the Republicans. Don't try to confuse people, you could at least just be honest about WHY he ran as a Democrat.

[Theinquisition]

Yet you still support candidates that welcome wall street money to support them like they are kids on sugar rush. Is it for the greater good ? Do you think that money comes without strings attached ?

which candidate is that?

[Deleted]

Well, the establishment has the advantage of a fundraising structure and garnishing the support of popular politicians. However if someone is popular enough, they can run effectively.

Honestly, I think the Bernie would have done BETTER if he ran as a third party candidate, there are more than enough naïve college students and left wing people out there to fund his campaign, and he wouldn't have to worry about superdelegates etc etc.

Seems rather difficult to run against such cemented structure, but I guess one could always hope for the best. But I don't think any politician that knows what they are doing would be completely uncompromising to achieve at least some level of success, instead of none.

[Theinquisition]

If he would have ran as a 3rd party, it would split the democrat voter base, and thrown the presidency to the Republicans. Don't try to confuse people, you could at least just be honest about WHY he ran as a Democrat.

I understand why he did it, but lets not pretend that he is not being a gigantic hypocrite for doing it, and that Berniebros getting pissed off at the superdelegate process is ridiculous.

[Repefe]

which candidate is that?

which candidate is what?

[Reeve]

But doesn't higher sales tax hurt the less fortunate?

Like I said, the sales tax is about what it is in California, around 8% (8.25%?) Yeah, it hits the poor harder than the rich, but it's not outside the national norm.

[Nihilist74]

just like his supporters Doesn't look like Sanders Himself wants to pay for much of anything either

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/-/...xes%20Full.pdf

Of the 205,271 he earned in 2014 he paid 27,653 in taxes that is a tax rate of 13.5% less then Mitt Romney. Yah the tax rate you claim Romney wasn't paying his fair share with

and in that return Sanders took advantage of loopholes and deductions he rails against the rich for using like claiming $8,946 in Unreimbursed Employee meals and entertainment expenses

and for being such a generious guy like he expects everyone else should be he only gave 4% of his income to charity. looks like he only wants to be generious with other peoples money. what was it that greedy Mitt Romney gave in charity wasn't it over 20%

How much money did mitt Romney make in a year. I bet it was a lot more than 205,271$. Also if he changed the tax laws on the tax rate and loopholes he would have to pay higher taxes as well.

[Zenotetsuken]

I understand why he did it, but lets not pretend that he is not being a gigantic hypocrite for doing it, and that Berniebros getting pissed off at the superdelegate process is ridiculous.

It's the exact same thing as Trump supporters getting pissed off at Brokered convention. Both supporters are right, both of those policies are nothing more than a shady practice to circumvent the will of the people. At the same time, both Sanders and Trump agreed to those policies, and both should accept the restrictions that they agreed to.

[Deleted]

I understand why he did it, but lets not pretend that he is not being a gigantic hypocrite.

I am not sure how that is hypocrisy, it is surely just playing along in the political system to ensure that either your own or the closest aligning ideology wins? I mean even in a multiple party system, we still have the block parties stand together and compromise on their ideologies to get certain key points across and negotiate the terms and then elect who they'll run for prime minister.

[Feel The Power]

Can the OP tell me, is there some sort of way that a person can tell the government "Excuse me, I would like to pay MORE taxes from now on"? Is that what you propose Sanders should try doing?

[Kasierith]

I must admit, it is hilarious seeing Berniebros get so mad that democratic superdelegates aren't voting for a nominee that wasn't a democrat until 11 months ago over a 40 year democrat.

If Bernie was really as committed to his ideals as he says he is, he would have ran under a democratic socialist ticket.

I'm a statist who has been dismissive of the "bernietrain" from the start; could look as far back in my history as you'd like. I've routinely said I support Clinton as the lesser of two evils solely because she's far too invested in the current system to do anything crazy to it, and I am financially successful in the current system. But if people are going to bash on him, at least let it be for something more accurate than the accuser having never done their own taxes before and being clueless as to how it works.

[Zenotetsuken]

I am not sure how that is hypocrisy, it is surely just playing along in the political system to ensure that either your own or the closest aligning ideology wins? I mean even in a multiple party system, we still have the block parties stand together and compromise on their ideologies to get certain key points across and then elect who they'll run for prime minister.

Not sure if you are aware, or how they handle it in Denmark, but here in the US, if one single candidate doesn't get enough votes from the electoral college to win a majority (270), the House of Representatives decides who will become the President.
So in that situation, the more parties there are, the more power the house of representatives has over the presidency, and the less the people control it, which was why I stated that "If he would have ran as a 3rd party, it would split the democrat voter base, and thrown the presidency to the Republicans"

Which, yes, you are right lol. Just re-read what I wrote and it came off as sort of dismissive, when I was meaning to expand on what you were saying not correct you or something.

[fengosa]

So politician does what any other sane person would do? He's also looking to raise rates on his own tax bracket so I'm not sure what the issue is.

[Hooked]

just like his supporters Doesn't look like Sanders Himself wants to pay for much of anything either

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/-/...xes%20Full.pdf

Of the 205,271 he earned in 2014 he paid 27,653 in taxes that is a tax rate of 13.5% less then Mitt Romney. Yah the tax rate you claim Romney wasn't paying his fair share with

and in that return Sanders took advantage of loopholes and deductions he rails against the rich for using like claiming $8,946 in Unreimbursed Employee meals and entertainment expenses

and for being such a generious guy like he expects everyone else should be he only gave 4% of his income to charity. looks like he only wants to be generious with other peoples money. what was it that greedy Mitt Romney gave in charity wasn't it over 20%

Typical of the kind in my opinion.

[Deleted]

Not sure if you are aware, or how they handle it in Denmark, but here in the US, if one single candidate doesn't get enough votes from the electoral college to win a majority (270), the House of Representatives decides who will become the President.
So in that situation, the more parties there are, the more power the house of representatives has over the presidency, and the less the people control it, which was why I stated that "If he would have ran as a 3rd party, it would split the democrat voter base, and thrown the presidency to the Republicans"

But that still is a nail in the coffin for running third party being suicidal, and even a detriment to the closest aligning ideology, right?