Bill Nye, "Science Guy," Wants Jail Time for Climate Change Denial Fraudsters

[Garnier Fructis]

If Nye don't think we have time for crackpots and climate deniers here's a tip: Don't agree to interviews with climate deniers and other crackpots.

That's actually a pretty fair point. I think he got the same flak from biologists for debating evolution, because in their view agreeing to debate promoted the view that it was still worthy of debate.

[Deleted]

What's the worst that happens? We stop trashing our planet and in the process create a safer, cleaner and more environmentally conscious civilisation that cares about nature? Oh, my goodness, the HORROR...

And what are you doing about it?
How about you start donating money to the cause then.

Socialists sure know how to spend other peoples money huh.

[Garnier Fructis]

And what are you doing about it?
How about you start donating money to the cause then.

Socialists sure know how to spend other peoples money huh.

Perhaps this is just a core ideological difference, but the reason people are calling for government action on climate change is because we understand individual action to be massively less efficient and unreliable on this front.

It's not about spending other people's money. It's about government being the most effective and powerful agent for shifting us away from fossil fuels. Me riding a bike instead of driving does basically fuck all on the climate change front compared to Congress enacting policy that incentivizes energy companies to switch to a different kind of energy.

Which is not to say that individual action doesn't help. It does. But it's just not enough.

[Acidbaron]

I agree. Whenever a scientific theory is wrong, those scientists should be jailed. Wonder how long till Global Warming being humans fault will be a super seeded scientific theory.

Never spoke of jail time, neither did i speak of dealing with people that release wrong theories. Did speak of people intentionally misleading others in a shill like manner, aka big tobacco tactics several decades ago

[Dendrek]

Garnier, I respect your attempts to talk reason to October. But honestly there are probably walls in your house more willing to listen to reason than he is.

[Grummgug]

Remember, Fidel Castro operated concentration camps in Cuba where he executed right-wing citizens. Others fled to Florida if they could. This is the same Fidel Castro who was honored as being a pallbearer for Pierre Trudeau (former Canadian PM) at his funeral in 2000. This is the same Fidel Castro whom the media attempts to reform by giving him a platform to speak as relations with Cuba normalize, only to attack America as an empire and speak of preserving the revolution.

Look at how the media bends over backwards to protect and HONOR Fidel (that makes me sick). You think anything will come of Bill Nye talk about jailing people who don't believe in climate change? I'm sure by their treatment of Fidel that most in the press probably agree with Nye.

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Yes. See andrew wakefield.

That means global warming is a fraud because they are omitting the data that shows that the cost of solar power is falling and its efficiency is rising such that, at its current rate, it will become cheaper than fossil fuels by 2030. That is hard science. You see, global warming crazies omit that data because they want to commit fraud. That data tells you that solar power will be a superior fuel source by 2030. That data tells you we will stop using fossil fuels and switch over to solar.

If Bill Nye is so eager to adopt a policy to jail people who commit scientific fraud, maybe he should jail himself or something? Crazy moron.

[Kalis]

Remember, Fidel Castro operated concentration camps in Cuba where he executed right-wing citizens. Others fled to Florida if they could. This is the same Fidel Castro who was honored as being a pallbearer for Pierre Trudeau (former Canadian PM) at his funeral in 2000. This is the same Fidel Castro whom the media attempts to reform by giving him a platform to speak as relations with Cuba normalize, only to attack America as an empire and speak of preserving the revolution.

Look at how the media bends over backwards to protect and HONOR Fidel (that makes me sick). You think anything will come of Bill Nye talk about jailing people who don't believe in climate change? I'm sure by their treatment of Fidel that most in the press probably agree with Nye.

Did you just compare Bill Nye to Fidel Castro?

[Grummgug]

Did you just compare Bill Nye to Fidel Castro?

I'm saying the press treats Fidel Castro with kid gloves and try to reform his public image every change they get, and Castro is a mass murderer who ran concentration camps to execute right wingers. Fidel Castro is a barometer of how radical left the media is.

With the political compass of the press now established, I look at this story about Nye wanting to jail people for "denying" climate change and think "Well, pssh, NOTHING is gonna happen to Nye. He will probably get an award for saying that!"

[Dendrek]

Did you just compare Bill Nye to Fidel Castro?

In Grummgug's defense, the comparison to Hitler he was working on didn't pan out, so he went with the next best option.

[Pengalor]

Nye is a loon

http://www.naturalnews.com/051720_Bi...ropaganda.html

You accuse someone of being a 'loon' an then link to naturalnews...I wish you could understand the irony of that lol.

OT: I haven't followed the entire topic but the quote in the OP doesn't seem to be him calling for jail time. He said other people are looking into criminal investigations. That's very vague and could very well be a reference to politicians being paid off by oil/energy companies to continue to impede progress towards cleaner energy.

[GennGreymane]

In Grummgug's defense, the comparison to Hitler he was working on didn't pan out, so he went with the next best option.

I wonder if he will try comparing Nye for Mao or Stalin next.

[XangXu]

People can dress it up with fancy fucking hippy words like "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" but it doesn'the change what it REALLY is.

The end of human civilization as we know it via drouht, poison air and probably cannabalism.

But hey. Let'stand just keep talking about the problem and maybe it will go away right?

[Kalis]

I'm saying the press treats Fidel Castro with kid gloves and try to reform his public image every change they get, and Castro is a mass murderer who ran concentration camps to execute right wingers. Fidel Castro is a barometer of how radical left the media is.

With the political compass of the press now established, I look at this story about Nye wanting to jail people for "denying" climate change and think "Well, pssh, NOTHING is gonna happen to Nye. He will probably get an award for saying that!"

But Bill Nye does not want to jail people for denying climate change, he was talking about if people are proved to have caused harm through deliberately misrepresenting data.

Did you watch the video of the conversation? It is in post #13. His stance in the video is neither left, nor right wing, I am not entirely sure why people keep mentioning left or right in this thread, other than people on these forums like to pigeonhole everybody.

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I wonder if he will try comparing Nye for Mao or Stalin next.

Nigel deGrasse Tyson as Pol Pot.

[GennGreymane]

But Bill Nye does not want to jail people for denying climate change, he was talking about if people are proved to have caused harm through deliberately misrepresenting data.

Did you watch the video of the conversation? It is in post #13. His stance in the video is neither left, nor right wing, I am not entirely sure why people keep mentioning left or right in this thread, other than people on these forums like to pigeonhole everybody.

You cant ask Grum to go off his index cards of talking points. This aint a left or right isssue. Its an issue of deliberate fraud.

[Kalis]

You cant ask Grum to go off his index cards of talking points. This aint a left or right isssue. Its an issue of deliberate fraud.

It is bizarre to me. One of the things that the right has always been known for is being tough on crime, but when we have someone saying that people who deliberately misrepresent data which causes harm (i.e. a crime), should be prosecuted, some on the right (and it is some from one particular nation) start calling that person a leftie.

Being tough on crime is our thing, we do not start advocating being soft on crime just because someone ostensibly on the left argues for crimes to be punished - what is going on here? Is there no consistency over your side of the pond? Sort it out!

[GennGreymane]

It is bizarre to me. One of the things that the right has always been known for is being tough on crime, but when we have someone saying that people who deliberately misrepresent data which causes harm (i.e. a crime), should be prosecuted, some on the right (and it is some from one particular nation) start calling that person a leftie.

Being tough on crime is our thing, we do not start advocating being soft on crime just because someone ostensibly on the left argues for crimes to be punished - what is going on here? Is there no consistency over your side of the pond? Sort it out!

I am not as influential in real life as you think I am.

[TZucchini]

There is no such thing as "information" or "misinformation" that can "directly harm society" in the context of this topic.

That's patently false. If people in academia are falsifying data, or knowingly promoting misinformation at the behest of big oil, society can absolutely be directly harmed.

It's really no different than Mitsubishi falsifying emissions data to make the vehicles look like they had better gas mileage. Someone should go to jail for that.

And no, having opinions, beliefs or theories that differ from the "consensus", regardless of their "effect" on society, are not and should not be justification for "retribution". And frankly, anyone who honestly believes otherwise is an imbecile.

We're not talking about opinions different from the consensus. We're talking about knowingly propagating misinformation that harms society. And frankly, anyone who can't see the difference between those two items is an imbecile.

[Grummgug]

But Bill Nye does not want to jail people for denying climate change, he was talking about if people are proved to have caused harm through deliberately misrepresenting data.

The radical intellectual left has a LONG and BLOODY history of jailing, torturing, and slaughtering political opponents, so I take his comments very seriously. He either is a complete moron that is ignorant of the atrocities committed by intellectual leftists, or actually wants to be associated with them.

He should be made to explain his comments, but he won't.

And that reminds me, we should raise awareness as to how the intellectual left have been historically a bunch of brutual thugs to kill and jail people without reason. We need holidays and memorials to make people understand that it is a serious issue and people like Bill Nye shouldn't be allowed to get away with such hate filled comments without explaining himself.

My ancestors fled Russia escaping the intellectual left while they butchered people. This is important to me and should be important to all.

[Kalis]

The radical intellectual left has a LONG and BLOODY history of jailing, torturing, and slaughtering political opponents, so I take his comments very seriously. He either is a complete moron that is ignorant of the atrocities committed by intellectual leftists, or actually wants to be associated with them.

He should be made to explain his comments, but he won't.

Why is jailing people that have deliberately presented false data which harmed others a left wing thing? I really can not see where you are getting that from.

Once again, "tough on crime" is a right wing mantra, not left wing.

And that reminds me, we should raise awareness as to how the intellectual left have been historically a bunch of brutual thugs to kill and jail people without reason. We need holidays and memorials to make people understand that it is a serious issue and people like Bill Nye shouldn't be allowed to get away with such hate filled comments without explaining himself.

My ancestors fled Russia escaping the intellectual left while they butchered people. This is important to me and should be important to all.

Bill Nye, a Stalin for our times.

[Hyve]

And what are you doing about it?
How about you start donating money to the cause then.

Paying my taxes and voting for candidates that are going to or are willing to invest in Green Energy? Also, I don't at all consider myself a Socialist, I'm far more conservative, but I'm not ignorant of the environment ...