Vol'jin or Sylvanas : Who do you find more capable as the Warchief?

[Arrashi]

That the Undead want nothing more than vengeance against the living is my current headcanon.

Made it a little bit closer to reality.

[Friendlyimmolation]

So, the People of Southshore deserved to die, why? Because they defended their home against the Forsaken? Or maybe, that would be more the Forsaken point of view, because they are alive, something thes Forsaken never can be again?

That the Undead want nothing more than vengeance against the living is current canon.

Because they were contributing to the Allaince and were actively attacking them and trying to take over the area? No shit they wiped them off the map.

That the Undead want nothing more than vengeance against the living is current canon.

you are incapable of processing the Forsaken have are more complex than that

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Made it a little bit closer to reality.

Most Undead are driven by vengeance and hatred to destroy the one thing that they can never have again: life.

Kinda strange that the Chronicles state pretty much the same thing like my headcanon.

Because they were contributing to the Allaince and were actively attacking them and trying to take over the area? No shit they wiped them off the map.

And thats why the Alliance is better. Because they don't commit mass murderer and have no little kitten as their Leader who is affraid to die.

you are incapable of processing the Forsaken have are more complex than that

That the Forsaken are more complex than that is your headcanon. The newest Lore is Chronicles and chronicles states that most undead hate the life. Not many, not some, not less, most.

[Al Gorefiend]

So, the People of Southshore deserved to die, why? Because they defended their home against the Forsaken? Or maybe, that would be more the Forsaken point of view, because they are alive, something thes Forsaken never can be again?

That the Undead want nothing more than vengeance against the living is current canon.

They want peace with the living dude. The Alliance races treat them like monsters.

Forsaken need more interaction with the Alliance in general. You don't know Anduin's/Velen's/Tyrande's opinions on the Forsaken because they never give them story that isn't 100% Sylvanas.

[Deleted]

As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, Sylvanas is by far the most experienced military leader the Horde has, but beyond military campaigns I don't think she's the most suitable leader.

[Deleted]

They want peace with the living dude. The Alliance races treat them like monsters.

Most Undead are driven by vengeance and hatred to destroy the one thing that they can never have again: life.

Warcraft chronicles states something different. Thats the newest Lore, Undeads are pretty much the evil, with the exception of some minority.

[Arrashi]

Kinda strange that the Chronicles state pretty much the same thing like my headcanon.

1st it says "most"
2nd Undead are pretty wide group.

So yeah, its still your headcanon.

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1st it says "most"
2nd Undead are pretty wide group.

So yeah, its still your headcanon.

Yeah, most. So most Forsaken do probably hate life. They even made a Plague against the living. That they tested nearly only on the living.

[Arrashi]

Yeah, most. So most Forsaken do probably hate life. They even made a Plague against the living. That they tested nearly only on the living.

You do realise that the point of plague was something to use against lich king forces and LK....right ? Oh well, you probably don't.

[Kufell]

From everything that has occured so far in-game I still think Vol'jin was the better candidate from a lore perspective. Sylvanas for starters is way too abrasive and untrustworthy. She has the potential to be a great leader though, she just isn't there just yet, she needs to sort out her issues.

[Friendlyimmolation]

And thats why the Alliance is better. Because they don't commit mass murderer and have no little kitten as their Leader who is affraid to die.

So its ok for the alliance to attack the Horde, but as soon as they get the shit kicked out of them it's ok? And lol at the bait.

That the Forsaken are more complex than that is your headcanon. The newest Lore is Chronicles and chronicles states that most undead hate the life. Not many, not some, not less, most.

Except no, they can hate life, but it doesn't drive them and influence every decision they make. But coming from someone Who is obsessed with incestuous lesbian anime and for the love of fuck is incapable of understanding more complex lore and confuses genocidal zealots for anti heroes, I'm not surprised.

[Katie45]

The sylvanas being the best commander is funny, loses quel thalas, fails sooooo bad against the worgen she had to use plague and then still had to kidnap crowly daughter to force a draw, she is lucky the worgen had such a weak leader for that to work.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Yeah, most. So most Forsaken do probably hate life. They even made a Plague against the living. That they tested nearly only on the living.

Yea no, Chronicles doesnt say they are evil. It says they hate the living, and again the Blight is no fucking worse than any other weapon. Cry on the fan fiction forums about how the Forsaken bullied the Innocent Alliance, maybe they will take you seriously there.

[Deleted]

You do realise that the point of plague was something to use against lich king forces and LK....right ? Oh well, you probably don't.

And that's why they tested it only on living beings since classic? Because, I was pretty sure if you make some Plague against the Lich King, it would make more sense to test it on Undeads.

Yea no, Chronicles doesnt say they are evil. It says they hate the living, and again the Blight is no fucking worse than any other weapon. Cry on the fan fiction forums about how the Forsaken bullied the Innocent Alliance, maybe they will take you seriously there.

Yeah, but destroying a whole city, enslaving or slaughtering everyone you can get and hunting down refugees is pretty much evil. When the Alliance attacked Camp Taurajo, they did their best to not harm Innocent Civilians and punished those who looted the Outpost.

You know, even in war there are two ways you can fight your enemies. The proper way and the Wehrmacht way.

[Raiju]

Warcraft chronicles states something different. Thats the newest Lore, Undeads are pretty much the evil, with the exception of some minority.

Do you know what vengeance means? Why do you think they want vengeance? It's because they were chased out with pitchforks by their fucking family (the alliance living in those regions)

[Leodok]

Vol'jin easily.

Sylvanas inspires the loyalty of her forsaken

There's a single, very small problem: the forsaken are not the only race in the Horde.
And she's not that great at keeping control of her generals and followers either. Putriss betrayed her, Varimathras betrayed her, the guy in charge of that concentration camp thing betrayed her, (SPOILER) the Trollbane guy (SPOILER) betrayed her.

she knows how to win wars without begging others for help.

That's why she lost to a bunch of survivors with no training, even though she has val'kyr, plague and an army with zero necessity for food?

She also knows when not to go around attacking the alliance, as shown in the legion cinematic and when to attack the alliance (Cataclysm).

Since when does Vol'jin not know that?

They want peace with the living dude. The Alliance races treat them like monsters.

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Do you really believe that?
Sylvannas is constantly saying she needs to kill people and raise them as undeads so the forsaken can survive as a group.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The sylvanas being the best commander is funny, loses quel thalas, fails sooooo bad against the worgen she had to use plague and then still had to kidnap crowly daughter to force a draw, she is lucky the worgen had such a weak leader for that to work.

Another bullshit argument huzza! ANYONE would lose agiasnt the scourge, so that shitty jab falls on it's face. And the Forsaken only were losing to the Worgen because they were forced into bullshit tactics by Garrosh who wanted them to die. Huzza for yet another poster having no clue what they are talking about!

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Do you really believe that?
Sylvannas is constantly saying she needs to kill people and raise them as undeads so the forsaken can survive as a group.

Considering the Alliance for the longest time was willing to do anything in attempt to take over Lordaeron? Yes.

[Arrashi]

And that's why they tested it only on living beings since classic? Because, I was pretty sure if you make some Plague against the Lich King, it would make more sense to test it on Undeads.

Implying that they weren't testing it on undead which is wrong. And again, they were creating multiple strains all over the world its obvious that they will test them on multiple enemies. So once again, you are wrong.

[Raiju]

OT: Given Vol'jin so far hasn't shown the ability to lead his way out of a paper bag, and has ruthless efficiency at throwing away troops pointlessly, I'll go Sylvanas.

But hey, Vol'jin apparently nat 20's every diplomacy check in spite of his incompetence.

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Implying that they weren't testing it on undead which is wrong. And again, they were creating multiple strains all over the world its obvious that they will test them on multiple enemies. So once again, you are wrong.

Were there a quest when they tested it on the Undead? Most of the time the apothecaries made me test or use the Plague, it was on living beings. Was it ever used against the scourge?