New stats panel (character interface), oversimplified?

[Xilurm]

Not seeing 0's on my character screen does not make the game any easier for me, it just removes useless information. You clearly hate the game, stop playing. You'll be happier.

Maybe not for you. There are some people who have no idea what items they need. Also, having that useless information is part of it being an RPG, something WoW hasn't been since after Cata.

[kamuimac]

Clusterfuck? It's an RPG GAME. Which part of that don't you understand? Do you also want arrows pointing out which item you should get next, which ability on your bar you should press? It's oversimplified. It's made for casual as fuck people who don't have to think even for a second in this game. And the worst is that people are defending the shit out of it, because they are afraid of the game getting harder to understand. Don't worry it won't, a couple expansions down the line it will be more simple than a mobile game where you just have to tap on the screen every second.

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[Wolfheart9]

Maybe not for you. There are some people who have no idea what items they need. Also, having that useless information is part of it being an RPG, something WoW hasn't been since after Cata.

So stop playing, leave the game and community that clearly angers you so. You'll be better off.

[bloodmoth13]

Well what are we missing from live?
I really dont need to know exactly how much strength/bonus armor i have on my mage
Spirit has been removed
Dodge/parry/block arent relevant on most characters
Mana has pretty much become static

Honestly? the only thing i think is missing is 'health' which is covered by stamina, and movespeed.

Having all the other stats displayed with equal value is quite misleading and rather clunky

[Wolfheart9]

Well what are we missing from live?
I really dont need to know exactly how much strength/bonus armor i have on my mage
Spirit has been removed
Dodge/parry/block arent relevant on most characters
Mana has pretty much become static

Honestly? the only thing i think is missing is 'health' which is covered by stamina, and movespeed.

Having all the other stats displayed with equal value is quite misleading and rather clunky

Health, resource number (Mostly just to check that your +20 energy talent is working for example), spellpower and the tanking stats could make a return, but there are enough mechanical changes in Legion that I honestly don't think it'l be needed. But apparently the chance of taking gear from someone else and putting on something you shouldn't is the mark of a great game, so you won't get many people agreeing with anything here.

[Xilurm]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't even say anything negative about this game anymore. Oh well, this topic should be renamed to "fuck everyone who disagrees with blizzard" because it has been derailed to such.

[Wolfheart9]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't even say anything negative about this game anymore. Oh well, this topic should be renamed to "fuck everyone who disagrees with blizzard" because it has been derailed to such.

You're entirely free to say something negative about the game. I'm also entirely free to say 'If you have such a problem with it and are pulling the same 'The game was better back in x' that's seen every day, maybe stop playing. If you're unhappy with things, find something to make you happy. Just because people don't agree with your opinion doesn't mean you're not allowed to have it.

[gcsmith]

Every time someone says "that useless info is part of an rpg" makes me laugh. If you'd actually played any tabletop rpg, you should know one of the key things is tracking only relevant info so you can a)speed up sessions and b) not forget or lose relevant info.

The only relevant missing stat is move speed from what I can see. Your health and resource count can be seen on your character bar.

[Deleted]

.. Right, so now I'm captain emotional for posting entirely factual statements? Gooootcha. Won't even back up your own claims. Mythic raid and tier gear will not drop from the open world, you still have to do progressive raiding for it. But as you're now going for psudo insults, I think we're done here.

Primalmatter was actually right... It isn't in the alpha yet since world drops are still using wod loot tables save for greens and trash but the current plan is for any ilv loot to drop from anywhere.

While it is a dickish way to say it. So far unless they change their mind it will be possible to farm mythic raid ilv by doing nothing more then farming tens of thousands of rats.

[gcsmith]

Primalmatter was actually right... It isn't in the alpha yet since world drops are still using wod loot tables save for greens and trash but the current plan is for any ilv loot to drop from anywhere.

While it is a dickish way to say it. So far unless they change their mind it will be possible to farm mythic raid ilv by doing nothing more then farming tens of thousands of rats.

Can you please post any evidence of this beyond the logical bit of world trash drops scaling to your level...

[Wolfheart9]

Primalmatter was actually right... It isn't in the alpha yet since world drops are still using wod loot tables save for greens and trash but the current plan is for any ilv loot to drop from anywhere.

While it is a dickish way to say it. So far unless they change their mind it will be possible to farm mythic raid ilv by doing nothing more then farming tens of thousands of rats.

Mind posting where they've said this is the plan? Specifically that mythic level raid gear can be found from any mob in the open world? I've watched Blizzcon and been keeping up on the news and I have 0 recollection of this.

[Chain Chungus]

On a similar note...

In October, Adobe released patch 6.2 for their very popular Lightroom photography application.
Lightroom is used by Professional and Enthusiast photographers to import, catalog, modify, export, and present large quantities of photos.

In patch 6.2 they completely replaced the "import photo" dialog with a simplified version.
The previous import dialog was a very powerful tool, with many options.
For Pros importing thousand of photos per day and cataloging them, those options were a godsend.

With 6.2 they removed "very low usage features". The import dialog was a shell of its previous self.
The Lightroom community erupted with complaints.

Adobe stated they had done research and "new" people were confused by all the options, so they removed them.
They basically dumbed down the product to market it at the Pinterest and Instagram photography crowd.

But, Lightroom isn't for the Pinterest and Instagram photography crowd.
Lightroom photographers needed those options and had come to rely on them.

Petitions were created.
The forums were flooded with complaints.
Popular Lightroom personalities blogged about the situations.
Etc....

Finally, Adobe apologised.
They relented.
In 6.3 of Lightroom the old dialog was coming back, with an option to enable the new dialog.

Adobe learned a lesson.
Don't take away options and details just because new users find them initially confusing.
Don't fix something that isn't broken.
Don't mess with your product at the expense of your established user base.
Don't try and make Lightroom a product for everyone.

Seems like Blizzard needs to take note.


References:
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjour...ml?PID=6149335
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjour...rt-update.html
http://www.macworld.com/article/3005...ew-update.html

What you are describing is "smartphone-itis." It has come to plague the entire computer industry with making things more streamlined and new-user-friendly, at the expense of their established customer base. This is why you have the ugly as crap and unintuitive Windows 10 or Adobe Acrobat DC. Everything has to be like a phone app that is over-simplified to appeal to soccer moms who never used computers before. All advanced features are not only removed from view, but actually unavailable even to veteran users.

[Deleted]

I don't get this complaint at all. If you actually care about theorycrafting you actually do not require the panel. There're LUA tools to get that information.

This is only a visual indication to make things easier for very fast checks by the new player.

Don't read too much into it.

[Deleted]

Mind posting where they've said this is the plan? Specifically that mythic level raid gear can be found from any mob in the open world? I've watched Blizzcon and been keeping up on the news and I have 0 recollection of this.

Yeah I should be able to give me a few minutes they never mention it direct but in passing but they have said a few times it was the case will see if I can dig up a link.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/guides/i...tion-in-legion

Go past the legendary to the scaling up bit. Think there is a blue post as well will see if I can dig it up.

[DarthMonk79]

Maybe not for you. There are some people who have no idea what items they need. Also, having that useless information is part of it being an RPG, something WoW hasn't been since after Cata.

What does a bunch of useless stats have to do with a RPG. Yes me seeing strength on my mage really gets me into the role playing aspect of it.... Hmmmm.... how much spirit do I have today, is it going to make my mana regen faster.... oh wait they got rid of that need a few xpacs ago. But I still need to see those useless stats to really immerse into the game. It'll just feel fake if I don't... wow

[Wolfheart9]

Yeah I should be able to give me a few minutes they never mention it direct but in passing but they have said a few times it was the case will see if I can dig up a link.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/guides/i...tion-in-legion

Go past the legendary to the scaling up bit. Think there is a blue post as well will see if I can dig it up.

Yea, going to need to see this one from the horses mouth as it were. Fan pages can take things out of context pretty heavily. That being said even if so this isn't 'Mythic raid gear can drop from the world', it's 'Those boots that are normally ilevel 800 can have a rare chance to be boosted to ilevel 900'.

While I think that's dumb to do, it still won't outclass raiding gear given trinket procs, set bonuses and so on.

However bedtime for me. I'll check back to see what you've found, and if it is in fact the case that my questing can boost to mythic raid ilevel, I shall join you in the call of that being dumb.. and amazingly surprised that it isn't more often talked about.

[Deleted]

You know when we say "you people complain about everything" stop giving us reasons to say it, lol.

The stat is useless for your spec, why the fuck would you "need" to see it?

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Health, spellpower

Pretty sure those numbers will still be in the tooltip when you hover over the stat.

[Wolfheart9]

You know when we say "you people complain about everything" stop giving us reasons to say it, lol.

The stat is useless for your spec, why the fuck would you "need" to see it?

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Pretty sure those numbers will still be in the tooltip when you hover over the stat.

Health yes, spellpower no. When you mouse over Intel it just tells you how much spellpower intel is giving you, not your total.

[Grapefruitsnz]

It was actually pretty cluttered in its previous (current on live) state. With 5-6 tabs, having to scroll down to look at the bottom ones, even with the ability to move them around to have more important ones at the top still didn't help with its cluttered and spread out set up. Is it oversimplified? Maybe, but let's not make out it's perfect and amazing in its layout currently.

[Deleted]

Yea, going to need to see this one from the horses mouth as it were. Fan pages can take things out of context pretty heavily. That being said even if so this isn't 'Mythic raid gear can drop from the world', it's 'Those boots that are normally ilevel 800 can have a rare chance to be boosted to ilevel 900'.

While I think that's dumb to do, it still won't outclass raiding gear given trinket procs, set bonuses and so on.

However bedtime for me. I'll check back to see what you've found, and if it is in fact the case that my questing can boost to mythic raid ilevel, I shall join you in the call of that being dumb.. and amazingly surprised that it isn't more often talked about.

I can't dig up the blue google keeps cluttering it with the legendaries. I know they mention it in blizz con but im not willing to rewatch two hours of it for the three sentences.

So it exists at least currently they could change their minds but I am far to lazy to look it up.