Offical response from blizzard on legacy servers.

[Deleted]

Of course, because it proves conclusively that Blizzard's "it's too difficult technically" argument is complete nonsense. As is their "we must protect our IP" argument. They seem to have incompetent technical and legal staff, or they just spew excuses.

Interesting that vanilla code does not seem to be missing anymore

[rda]

or these tools fail to transfer them and you have to do a lot of work to transfer them semi-manually with help of people who made this software. Been there, done that. Sometimes it's not worth it and old code is scrapped. Yes, it may sound awful, but with shit this big, and this useless (even if you preserve old code - it's unusable in modern system and sits there like a 27 years old person without education, job, goals in life, etc living with this parents) it's not something unbelievable

As I said, in the absolute worst case, if the migration fails or you are too lazy to do it or whatever, you are left with a backup.

[Saradain]

Do you notice something about the Pristine Realms?

They do not say that it would be vanilla, in any way.

They do not say that the world would be reverted to pre-Cataclysm form.

They do not say that the Pristine Realm wouldn't have all the current content up to Warlords of Draenor, with all new continents and planets alike.

In other words, it'd be same as current WoW, same class mechanics, same gameplay, just harder levelling, forcing you to reroll if you want transfers of realms/race changes/faction changes...just without the convenience retail WoW has. Only to create a closed community in a supposedly isolated server type.

I do not think that is anywhere close to what the private server people truly wanted. The end?

[Camthur]

Why not 'hire' Nostalrius? Make it legal and official, and let their team continue the great work? They're passionate and they're doing it for free.
To protect IP - write an agreement/document with Nostalrius team that will secure everything, future of the server.
Everything will belong to Blizzard, but folks from Nost will run the server. Community effort, passion, love for the game will be rewarded. Simple as that.

I'd imagine they have a long line of people who want to work for Blizzard. Because of that, I bet they have pretty high standards they hold applicants to. I'm not sure Blizzard would want people who worked on a pirate server, but let's say they would for this scenario. Surely we'd expect Blizzard to hold those people to the same high standards and not just auto hire them because they managed to duct tape a vanilla server together.

[jvbastel]

because legal complications.

Nostalrius isn't a company
Nostalrius cannot be the ones to maintain until the current legal proceedings are resolved
Nostalrius as a company needs a viable business plan to maintain
Blizzard will likely want a cut, which has to be negotiated,
etc.etc.etc.

None of the points you raised are really big issues though. They also didn't actually sue the nostalrius devs, afaik.

[Deleted]

very good response - clear not to pirates and thieves - and finalt nost freaks will calm down as they got reposnse they wanted - legacy will never happen - very good day for justice very bad day for thieves.

But it is interesting that they are talking to the "thieves" and are "looking forward to more conversations with them in the coming weeks".

[Charge me Doctor]

Of course they wouldn't store all their revisions. They would, however, store releases. The software I'm working on currently, I can pull up 10 year old release code in a minute. Of course that depends largely on the company, but it is feasible to store code from previous releases.

It also depends on the size of the software, and amount of "luggage" that goes with this software. Playing captain hindsight is always easy, but again - my point is, that blizzard either went for a risk and removed old code completely due to various reasons, or they lie about it. I go with first one. Someone goes with second one. But people who say that it is impossible for blizzard to not have the old code are simply not right, it's possible

[Raiju]

None of the points you raised are really big issues though. They also didn't actually sue the nostalrius devs, afaik.

They were talking certain nost members & the hosting company to court. Because nost isn't a single entity they can't take everyone realistically.

[Lochton]

Do you notice something about the Pristine Realms?

They do not say that it would be vanilla, in any way.

They do not say that the world would be reverted to pre-Cataclysm form.

They do not say that the Pristine Realm wouldn't have all the current content up to Warlords of Draenor, with all new continents and planets alike.

In other words, it'd be same as current WoW, same class mechanics, same gameplay, just harder levelling, forcing you to reroll if you want transfers of realms/race changes/faction changes...just without the convenience retail WoW has. Only to create a closed community in a supposedly isolated server type.

I do not think that is anywhere close to what the private server people truly wanted. The end?

But.. that is basically what a legacy server is as well.

From a company view, this makes more sense.

[Camthur]

But it is interesting that they are talking to the "thieves" and are "looking forward to more conversations with them in the coming weeks".

For all we know, they are flattering them to pick their brains to make future WoW code harder to emulate.

[kamuimac]

I do not think that is anywhere close to what the private server people truly wanted. The end?

yup time to start locking all those threads as they are completly pointless - no legacy cervers ever.

[Sierra85]

i wonder if the nostralius developers can comment further on the types of discussions they've had with blizzard.

[jvbastel]

They were talking certain nost members & the hosting company to court. Because nost isn't a single entity they can't take everyone realistically.

Didn't they just send a C&D letter, and threaten to go to court if they didn't oblige?

[tj119]

Blizzard will make this same excuse over and over, it will not stop. Classic WoW is not returning..

[Raiju]

Didn't they just send a C&D letter, and threaten to go to court if they didn't oblige?

Yesterday, we received a letter of formal notice from US and french lawyers, acting on behalf of Blizzard Entertainment, preparing to stand trial against our hosting company OVH and ourselves in less than a week now. This means the de facto end of Nostalrius under its current form.

They evidently ignored the cease & desist prior to this.

[Saradain]

But.. that is basically what a legacy server is as well.

From a company view, this makes more sense.

What Nostalrius people want is a vanilla server because they do not like how retail WoW is all around, not just the supposed lack of community feel. They are stuck to their nostalgy, believing that all the unbalance and lack of even more content is the ideal state. Pristine realms would flop even harder than actual Blizzard-hosted vanilla servers.

[Pua]

very good response - clear not to pirates and thieves - and finalt nost freaks will calm down as they got reposnse they wanted - legacy will never happen - very good day for justice very bad day for thieves.

This is a good example of what I was talking about, @Ergunk.

No consideration of the wider debate or its participants, and a conclusion drawn that isn't supported by the quoted text.

This is what we're dealing with.

Vocal minority seems to love the argument about Nostalrius doing fine with their server, so Blizzard could really just press a button for it.

I've not seen anyone claim that. What people are claiming is that if a set of volunteers can design a server for free, and host a million accounts on it, how can it be too difficult for a billion-dollar company?

Please stop making things up; it doesn't help the debate.

[kamuimac]

But it is interesting that they are talking to the "thieves" and are "looking forward to more conversations with them in the coming weeks".

its not surprising - why take case to court when you can dictate them whatever you want without judge - they know perfeckly well that if it landed in court they would own blizzard milions of dollars and this way they are basickly their bitches.

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This is a good example of what I was talking about, @Ergunk.

No consideration of the wider debate or its participants, and a conclusion drawn that isn't supported by the quoted text.

This is what we're dealing with.

you are not dealing with anythig anymore - there is nothing to deal with

blizzard said officialy "no" to legacy servers- you lost, deal with it.

[Sunnydee]

because legal complications.

Nostalrius isn't a company
Nostalrius cannot be the ones to maintain until the current legal proceedings are resolved
Nostalrius as a company needs a viable business plan to maintain
Blizzard will likely want a cut, which has to be negotiated,
etc.etc.etc.

to add ontop of what you said, it wouldnt be a 1 week process, to sort everything from today to a release IF they were to use nost people, it could take years.

[kamuimac]

it doesn't help the debate.

debate has ended with a clear conclusion "no" - stop beating dead horse.