NC cops kick lesbian out of womens bathroom for looking like a man

[Fullmetalmoo]

Since when do you need to carry ID USE THE RESTROOM?

Thanks for ignoring the entire post and acting like a child.
The answer to your question, for the sake of humoring you, is always, in public.
ID is mandatory for good reason.

[derpkitteh]

i'll never understand why some lesbians wanna look like men. or why other lesbians would be attracted to someone that looks like a man.

if you want only girls, why would you want that?

[Vanyali]

Thanks for ignoring the entire post and acting like a child.
The answer to your question, for the sake of humoring you, is always, in public.
ID is mandatory for good reason.

ID isn't, in fact, mandatory in the US. Unless you're driving.

[Zeta333]

No ID available to show, gotta be judged based on looks.

Better safe than sorry.

Next time be less OG and carry some ID, yo! Dawg!

What kind of modern person doesnt carry a form of ID with them, seriously.

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ID isn't, in fact, mandatory in the US. Unless you're driving.

And only idiots/illegals/criminals dont carry it. There is zero reason to not have ID.

[Vanyali]

And only idiots/illegals/criminals dont carry it. There is zero reason to not have ID.

yes yes, i'm fully aware you live in some weird black and white world where you either have it or you're a bad person, but that's not indicative of reality in the slightest.

[Zeta333]

yes yes, i'm fully aware you live in some weird black and white world where you either have it or you're a bad person, but that's not indicative of reality in the slightest.

Or people can stop being difficult for the sake that the law doesnt require them to cooperate and just do whats common fucking sense?

[Fullmetalmoo]

ID isn't, in fact, mandatory in the US. Unless you're driving.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/moot-point

Clothes are also optional in many places, but it is still in violation of the law to walk around naked for other reasons. Laws collide all the time, but their level of government ultimately dictates what matters - the point being, not having ID can lead to you being lawfully arrested/detained in countless circumstances..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_a...ntify_statutes

[PaladinBash]

Doing security at clubs, you get this kind of shit a lot actually. A lot of lesbians (I'm assuming here, deal with it) dress and look like dudes. That's just a fact. They know they do it, they know it happens. I tap them on the shoulder when they go in and they usually say "I am a girl" and I feel like a retard and they get annoyed/embarrassed a little and it ends there. I've never had one yell or be real angry and I've never given anyone a hard time over that shit because it's the job. They know I'm just looking for dudes sneaking in there and it's not personal. Some roll their eyes or get a little annoyed because it's a matter of "not this shit again". It's never a big deal unless people want to make it a big deal.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

if you look like a dude......

So, then you don't think people should be required to use the bathroom of the sex they were born with?

You, sir, are an unexpected advocate of LGBT rights

[Khadgar]

What kind of modern person doesnt carry a form of ID with them, seriously.

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And only idiots/illegals/criminals dont carry it. There is zero reason to not have ID.

false. i choose to leave my wallet/ID at home when i don't need it and doing stuff like going to the beach, gym, basketball court, etc.

[Zeta333]

false. i choose to leave my wallet/ID at home when i don't need it and doing stuff like going to the beach, gym, basketball court, etc.

Then you deserve any hardship you get into due to not carrying your id with you when doing these things. Sorry. Her entire situation could have been avoided had she had her id, so i have no simpathy for her as would i have none for you if you got in shit that would have been avoided by not having an id.

[Deleted]

talk like a dude and walk like a dude...

No shit - that "girl" looks like a dude.

Cops did nothing wrong - fuck 'her". If she doesn't like the fact that she needed to prove that she was a girl, again - fuck her.

And to those saying she should sue - sue for what? FFS - SHE LOOKS LIKE A FUCKING GUY! Since she cannot prove she isn't one, the cops did NOTHING WRONG.

The only stupid person in this entire scenario is the "girl. The cops did nothing stupid and acted appropriately.

[Vanyali]

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/moot-point

Clothes are also optional in many places, but it is still in violation of the law to walk around naked for other reasons. Laws collide all the time, but their level of government ultimately dictates what matters - the point being, not having ID can lead to you being lawfully arrested/detained in countless circumstances..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_a...ntify_statutes

those circumstances are generally "when driving".

Stop and detain require you to give your name. No more, no less.

that said, there are states that try to trick you:

"While Wisconsin statutes allow law enforcement officers to "demand" ID, there is no statutory requirement to provide them ID nor is there a penalty for refusing to, hence Wisconsin is not a must ID state (Henes v. Morrissey)."

There is no state where ID is mandatory, and you must show it on demand on pain of arrest. That they can tell you that is so is another matter, but "identify" means that you state your name and sometimes your address.

[Repefe]

Only if you're doing something that requires ID like driving a car. Going to the bathroom is not one of those things.

I don't get it. There are plenty of laws you can break on foot. Cross on red light, throw away trash in public places, all kind of shit. When that happen what do you do ? Say you are Jimmy and the fine should be in that name ?

[Alvito]

Since when do you require ID to use the bathroom?

Some areas require you to carry ID all the time. While what the cops did here and how they handled it was absurd, it could have been avoided by both sides. You are guilty of vagrancy in many areas if you don't have ID on you. Using that as a reason for any of this nonsense seems like a cop out though.

[Vanyali]

Some areas require you to carry ID all the time. While what the cops did here and how they handled it was absurd, it could have been avoided by both sides. You are guilty of vagrancy in many areas if you don't have ID on you. Using that as a reason for any of this nonsense seems like a cop out though.

That's really, really not true. You cannot be arrested for not having ID. The cops can lie and make you think that, but you won't be fined for it. Vagrancy is also vague enough in some cases that sitting after a walk waiting for a friend could get you busted, and has nothing to do with ID.

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I don't get it. There are plenty of laws you can break on foot. Cross on red light, throw away trash in public places, all kind of shit. When that happen what do you do ? Say you are Jimmy and the fine should be in that name ?

You don't require an ID to be arrested for a crime.

[Lutris]

This isn't a normal situation, so bringing in normal situations doesn't really work.

We have a case of a woman, that looks and acts like a man, being in a Woman's Restroom. And the cops being called because someone noticed it and asked for their assistance.

Now, these cops have two options:
1. Let the "woman", who might very well be a man, stay in there - and if that's the case, fuck rules. We have separate restrooms for a reason.
2. Verify that said "woman" is indeed a woman. Now, how does one achieve this? By ID; Or physical checking. And I don't think the second option would bode well for the Policeman....

This is not a case of someone having to use ID to go to the bathroom. It's a case of someone, who acts and looks like the opposite gender, being in a restroom and it causing unrest for third parties.
No ID to backup that person's claims (or refusing to comply because ~arm gesturing and shit~ edgy)? Better safe and sorry and wait outside the restroom for the rest of the girlfriends.

Well i mean the big thing everyone seems to be ignoring is that these new laws about bathrooms are forcing people into the wrong bathroom. Trans men and women are being told they must go into the wrong bathroom because of "chromosomes or whatever" regardless of presentation. You might pass 100%-- but the law says if you use the right bathroom, you're breaking the law.

This poor woman was caught up in this utterly ridiculous bullshit for being "too manly", which is a bullshit measurement in itself. Being "biologically female" pretty much only requires you to possess a vagina. You can't eyeball this shit, even with cisgender people.

Which means incidents like these are only going to increase. Which is only going to cause the mass hysteria that put the laws into place to get worse.

[Wyrt]

Post title is nothing short of a personal attack that is a direct perversion of actual events.
She was not kicked out of the bathroom, and it was not because she looked male.
She was removed, and asked to prove her gender through identification because of reasonable suspicion. She FAILED to provide her ID, choosing to be excluded from the restroom, and her lack of cooperation and belligerence with police doing their jobs that they risk their lives for, resulted in her being escorted out of a hostile situation.

If I have a gun-shaped phone-case under my waistband, it constitutes reasonable suspicion for a police officer to investigate the possibility, because it is probable that something shaped exactly like a gun, is a gun

Both parties behaved immaturely, but do not skew facts to try to gain supporters to your point of view, it's disrespectful to everyone who wants to have a civil conversation.

1. Standing in a line waiting to go to the bathroom is not reasonable suspicion of a crime.
2. Going to the bathroom does not require ID.

[Prokne]

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/moot-point

Clothes are also optional in many places, but it is still in violation of the law to walk around naked for other reasons. Laws collide all the time, but their level of government ultimately dictates what matters - the point being, not having ID can lead to you being lawfully arrested/detained in countless circumstances..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_a...ntify_statutes

Not in NC apparently as it is not one of the states listed with an identification law (which doesn't require ID, just that you give your name).

So once again it is impossible to correctly enforce this law unless the state makes it mandatory to carry your birth certificate around. I'm not really sure what started this case, but there are a lot of women in that bathroom, some of which seem to be the woman's friends, so I seriously doubt she was going to sexually assault anyone (which is the BS made up reason for the law).

Without proof that the person is male or female, the police shouldn't be removing her from the bathroom unless some other non-related disturbance is taking place because she identifies herself as a girl when asked and the other women in the bathroom corroborate that she is a girl.

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Well i mean the big thing everyone seems to be ignoring is that these new laws about bathrooms are forcing people into the wrong bathroom. Trans men and women are being told they must go into the wrong bathroom because of "chromosomes or whatever" regardless of presentation. You might pass 100%-- but the law says if you use the right bathroom, you're breaking the law.

Transpeople either have to go to the bathroom that aligns with their identity and break the law or go into the bathroom mandated by the law and risk getting kicked out by other people in there and the police. It's a no win situation and seriously wrong to force people to commit a crime in order to do something as simple as go to the bathroom without being harassed.

[Repefe]

You don't require an ID to be arrested for a crime.

For crimes ? Sure. For misdemeanors ? Most of the time a fine solves it. If you have ID, 5 minutes later you can be on your way. Without ID ? Here you have to go to police station, sign sworn statement, etc. You waste hours with that. But it may be different in US. And it's not just when you break law. When you are a witness, same stuff ... much easier with ID on you.