Food Is Now Free In Italy If You Are Hungry, Preposterous!!!

[NineSpine]

It's a nice ideal: "Solve world hunger" but in reality the right for a human to eat is just something we made up. Humans used to have to grow their own food in order to eat. They would have to work for that food. People still have to do that. Just because food is easily accessible doesn't therefore mean that people should be able to get as much free food as they want from the people who do work to make it so easily accessible.

Not really. People used to live communally, sharing the products of their labor, as there was no practical alternative. This notion of makers and takers is fairly modern, a product of markets arising.

[Dextroden]

No, I really didn't.
If you are so sure, you could find the quote instead of making shit up about other users.
I do know what a public library is.
Are you claiming lockedout posts from a public library?
I always thought a circle jerk was just online

You made the argument that he has to have money to be on the internet.

I just decided to correct you.

[Jayburner]

Guess granny is shit out of luck since she is too old now. Sorry Grandma, time to float you out on an ice-float.

[spinner981]

Not really. People used to live communally, sharing the products of their labor, as there was no practical alternative. This notion of makers and takers is fairly modern, a product of markets arising.

Ya, and the takers did other work to justify that taking. That is what the world is like today too. Some people grow food. Some people ship food. Some people market the food. Some people build skyscrapers. Some people program video games. Some people cut hair. Some people weave baskets. If you are giving free food to somebody because you feel they need it, that is called charity, but you shouldn't be able to be forced to give free food to people by the government, especially on a consistent basis, which this ruling is effectively now allowing.

Guess granny is shit out of luck since she is too old now. Sorry Grandma, time to float you out on an ice-float.

That's where family and retirement comes in.

[NineSpine]

Ya, and the takers did other work to justify that taking. That is what the world is like today too. Some people grow food. Some people ship food. Some people market the food. Some people build skyscrapers. Some people program video games. Some people cut hair. Some people weave baskets. If you are giving free food to somebody because you feel they need it, that is called charity, but you shouldn't be able to be forced to give free food to people by the government, especially on a consistent basis, which this ruling is effectively now allowing.

No. You are confused about what communal living was like. Take an anthropology class.

The ruling says that in an emergency situation it isn't a crime to steal food. THat's all it says. Take a law class too.

[Deleted]

Since when isn't self defense justified? And he isn't wrong in saying that you can not be punished for breaking out of prison in the Netherlands.

Has anyone ever broken out of a modern western prison?

ok, apparently you can escape from a maximum security prison by simply stealing guards keys and making fake phone calls (texas 7). and here i was thinking they had doors that only locked from the outside that required some sort of identification to be let through.

apparently tunneling through modern construction materials is also possible lol.

[spinner981]

No. You are confused about what communal living was like. Take an anthropology class.

The ruling says that in an emergency situation it isn't a crime to steal food. THat's all it says. Take a law class too.

When you have people that aren't contributing (or haven't contributed to the extent where they are justified in still collecting; ie: retirement), yet are still collecting, that's bad. It encourages people to just stop contributing and keep collecting.

[tratra]

Apparently its now legal to steal in In Italy if you are hungry according to their courts. Instead of throwing criminals in jail, they are just going to encourage more people to steal. Hell, why should I pay for food if everyone else doesnt. Just say you are hungry and take all you want for free. Nevermind that you are screwing the markets who wont be compensated for their losses. I hope they all close down in protest!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36190557

I find it bizarre... i mean the way you are putting it out there. Food that costs next to nothing and can save someone from starving should be free. And who cares about the markets? they are getting compensated anyways.

[sarahtasher]

Once again, I suppose that the usual suspects never heard of the bread riots of Richmond (and elsewhere in their beloved CSA), or that this apex of American history that is the ''muh state rights gimmick'', authorized or turned a blind eye on food ''appropriation'' numerous times.

[NineSpine]

When you have people that aren't contributing (or haven't contributed to the extent where they are justified in still collecting; ie: retirement), yet are still collecting, that's bad. It encourages people to just stop contributing and keep collecting.

That's a lovely little hypothesis. Unfortunately it isn't backed by any evidence.

[Dextroden]

Remember folks, if you are in need of aid. Don't ask for help. Just steal it!

[TITAN308]

Eh? the topic of disscussion is the legal implications of free food for the hungry. I know it's an absurd topic of discussion, but what's more absurd is how everything equates to guns for your average gun nut.

I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

Thanks for the gun nut title, just confirms I hit a red button.

Carry on.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Remember folks, if you are in need of aid. Don't ask for help. Just steal it!

But if they ask for it, they get shit on by your type.

[Queen of Hamsters]

I prefer to live in a society where starving means you CAN be excused from stealing, over living in a country where it would land you in jail Miserables style...

[TITAN308]

But if they ask for it, they get shit on by your type.

Question: His his type the one who would be giving them food anyhow?

What does being "shit on" by a certain type of person have to do with food aide?

Further more, I would imagine being titled as a thief would get someone "shit on" even worse than just being poor. I'd imagine it would be a double pooper.

[Hiricine]

Ummmmm.... this whole thread is about a court case where it was ruled that exactly what you are saying doesn't happen, happened.

Well what did happen is that a court made an insane, illogical decision that has no grounding in fact. You can appeal to the authority of an Italian court if you like, but it doesn't make the argument that allowing stealing because some are hungry is practical or moral. No where in the article does it mention that the man was going to starve or would have suffered injury, and no one yet has attempted to support that claim with any data or even an ANECDOTE. If you were going to make that case, you have to provide significant amounts of data that showed that people who were hungry and didn't steal suffered some sort of injury, and if you were going to make it poorly, you have to provide ONE case where it has happened, not where someone MIGHT have been harmed if they didn't.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Question: His his type the one who would be giving them food anyhow?

What does being "shit on" by a certain type of person have to do with food aide?

Further more, I would imagine being titled as a thief would get someone "shit on" even worse than just being poor. I'd imagine it would be a double pooper.

Question, do people NOT get nasty criticism for being on SNAP?

(In before "Well they do if they shouldn't be getting it!" which isn't even your place to determine)

[TITAN308]

Question, do people NOT get nasty criticism for being on SNAP?

(In before "Well they do if they shouldn't be getting it!" which isn't even your place to determine)

So what if they do I guess is my question? Ultimately those people have no say if they get it or not anyhow. Right?

[Dextroden]

But if they ask for it, they get shit on by your type.

What's my type, all knowing Swami?

[Mormolyce]

How horribly Christian of them.

No, send them to jail where they can eat for free

Do you have any idea what it costs the state to imprison someone?

According to google, over $30k per annum in the US.