Ted Cruz Drops out of Presidential Race

[Hammerfest]

I agree the media will be against him, but what makes you think the media wouldn't be against Cruz?

Here's the thing: The media has been pro-Trump when it comes to covering the Republican primaries and has not been pro-Cruz. Those kid gloves they've been handling Trump with will now start to come off and the protection that the mainstream media has been giving him up until now will vanish. Cruz never got the kid gloves in the first place... so if he'd gotten the nomination it would have been business as usual for him going forward anyway.

[Ghostpanther]

The Reagan election was impacted by an unique outside influence. The Iran hostage crisis put it's mark on it. Without that crisis, things probably would have reflected the early predictions.

Good point. There are some things happening now which a lot of people do not approve of. It is speculative at best to say the Iran hostage situation had that big of a impact. Maybe it did. Maybe it did not.

[Deleted]

With a system where you can essentially have Schroedinger's Cat (to exaggerate slightly) run for nomination, a safety net is required.
Those delegates are just that. It might not be what the Sanders supporters like, but in the end it works as intended. For now, Hillary leads, and carries it home without those SD's anyway.

Do u really believe what u have written?

Because the way sensible people see it is that the Superdelegates makes it easier for the 'Elite' to know who to bribe. Its easier for them to place their own people in those positions so they control the vote.

Thats not being cynical thats sensible observation.

Therefore my original point that the 'elite' decided long ago that Hillary will win is completely accurate.... She will win because they will ensure that she wins.

[BuckSparkles]

So I guess that settles it, Trump is the face of the republican party now. I guess conservatives get to vote for Hilary now!

No self-respecting conservative would vote for the wicked witch of the left.

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You don't matter Penguin. But people like you, who do use their real names, do. And not here, or reddit. Not on stupid forums.

The folks who get blacklisted are any and every Trump volunteer in every bit town across the country. Every talking head. Every media personality. The people who DO step up.

If you support Trump, there is no conservative party that will have you back on the other side of his utter defeat. Somewhere, you will be on a roll. That data will be mined and cataloged.

You should be afraid Penguin. Not of me. Of what happens the day after Trump loses. Real Conservatives will clean house of people like you, and you can go back to voting for third party crazies or post... something. Because what I'm not describing is you going to jail, or a prison camp or losing your job (although that must happen to public figures and any elected official who supports Trump). What I'm talking about is your effective political irrelevancy. When Barry Goldwater lost, it took 16 years and Watergate for crazies to bounce back then. This will be that, but bigger, because even Barry Goldwater republicans are more acceptable than Donald Trump's angry horde of losers.

Let me put it this way. The existence of Trump and his defeat will inoculate the moderate conservatives in this country against people like you, who believe the things that you believe. You and the things that live in your head will be radioactive.

So where will that leave you on the other end? A lonely voice in political exile.

That is why you better pray Trump wins. First we break your candidate, then we break your beliefs.

Your recent posts have been so revealing. Are you sure you are a conservative and not a regressive left who wants to silence other opinions?

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No, nothing like that. Attaching politics to profession (except for political professions) is un-American.

However that said, if you're a Trump supporter now, the #TrumpistPurge (trying these on) should involve you being asked, four years from now "did you volunteer on Donald Trump's campaign?" if you want to help on whoever is running for president at that time. And if the answer is "yes I did", the response should be "thanks but no thanks, you're banned".

There are only two types of people in this country: those who support Trump and those who don't. If you support Trump, there will be consequences. And really, this matters more from would-be Sons of the Trump movement, in future years. The Party needs to move back to the center right, rejecting the Crazy Conservatism of Ted Cruz, as well as the racist, authoritarian, paranoid, loser-loving nativism of the Trumpists. Neither have a home in the future center-right party of the country.

So...you want to be like Romney or McClain.

Losers.

[Ghostpanther]

No self-respecting conservative would vote for the wicked witch of the left.

Lol. True. But would not surprise me to see them come up with a independent candidate which will run on a conservative ticket. Which would only guarantee Hillary would win. I like how Bobby Jindal put it last night during a interview. " Some do not like the idea of voting for Trump. I understand that. But at this point, you have to ask yourself, who is better for this country, Hillary or Trump. Those are really the only two choices Republicans have now.".

[BuckSparkles]

Lol. True. But would not surprise me to see them come up with a independent candidate which will run on a conservative ticket. Which would only guarantee Hillary would win. I like how Bobby Jindal put it last night during a interview. " Some do not like the idea of voting for Trump. I understand that. But at this point, you have to ask yourself, who is better for this country, Hillary or Trump. Those are really the only two choices Republicans have now.".

I have a few religious conservative friends who were super Cruz. They said they will write his name on the ticket.


Meanwhile, in wasting your vote and being a pointless statistic land....

[Ghostpanther]

I have a few religious conservative friends who were super Cruz. They said they will write his name on the ticket.


Meanwhile, in wasting your vote and being a pointless statistic land....

Tell them they may as well vote for Hillary. Because for all practical reasons, that is exactly what they will be doing.

[BuckSparkles]

Tell them they may as well vote for Hillary. Because for all practical reasons, that is exactly what they will be doing.

I have. They just tell me "IM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR PARTISAN POLITICS."

Do they get feelgood points or something? If party A represents you and party B doesn't, why would you vote for a single thing on the party B line?

[ringpriest]

Lol. True. But would not surprise me to see them come up with a independent candidate which will run on a conservative ticket. Which would only guarantee Hillary would win. I like how Bobby Jindal put it last night during a interview. " Some do not like the idea of voting for Trump. I understand that. But at this point, you have to ask yourself, who is better for this country, Hillary or Trump. Those are really the only two choices Republicans have now.".

The Hillary campaign, along with Republicans who (publicly or privately) prefer her (or anyone) to Trump are likely going to quietly look for a social-religious conservative who can run on the Constitution, Libertarian or other 3rd party ticket, just to help put another nail in the mostly-completed coffin that is Trump in November. (They don't even need to be on the ballot in that many states, as Skroe pointed out, Florida alone would likely do it - but why bet it all on a single point of failure when they can target Florida, Ohio, Virgina, Colorado, Utah, Iowa and more. Of course, the GOP needs to be careful - if they don't watch out, they'll be feeding their own already growing fractures.)

[Adam Jensen]

So now everyone in the US is well and truly f$cked.

Cruz leaving the race isn't a mark that the US is truly fucked. Cruz entering the race was that mark. Cruz was possibly worse than Trump, a sleazy dominionist who would have destroyed the rights of those who don't follow his fundamentalist world view.

[caervek]

With a system where you can essentially have Schroedinger's Cat (to exaggerate slightly) run for nomination, a safety net is required.

In the UK we almost elected a corpse to parliament in 2015 because one of the candidates died before the vote but as the ballots had been printed the law dictated they couldn't be edited.

He came 6th out of 7 candidates XD

[Deleted]

With a system where you can essentially have Schroedinger's Cat (to exaggerate slightly) run for nomination, a safety net is required.

Do u honestly believe that shit?

'Safety net' by ass

If the people want to vote for a fukking cat then let them!!!!

Who has the right to basically put in a 'safety net' to prtect the people?... protect them from themselves?

Do u hear just how dangerous this is in reality?

Because this 'safety net' aint there to protect the people... ITS THERE TO PROTECT THEM!!!

[alexw]

I seem to remember hearing the same nonsense when Reagan ran the fist time and lost the first few primaries. He also polled as an underdog in the general just like Trump is, Yet he won the general election with a landslide of 43 states

I'm afraid to break it to you but we aren't in the year 1981. In that Reagan landslide he won 56% of the white vote. But in 2012 Romney gained 59% of the white vote and lost by 24 states. Old white bigoted and racist republicans have been dying off at a double rate of knots for years now, there just isn't enough of them left. The old dog-whistle racism of Reagan does not work anymore on a diverse cosmopolitan electorate, and what's more, Trump isn't using a dog-whistle but a bullhorn. Just look at his favorability, or should I say unfavorability ratings -

[Ghostpanther]

The Hillary campaign, along with Republicans who (publicly or privately) prefer her (or anyone) to Trump are likely going to quietly look for a social-religious conservative who can run on the Constitution, Libertarian or other 3rd party ticket, just to help put another nail in the mostly-completed coffin that is Trump in November. (They don't even need to be on the ballot in that many states, as Skroe pointed out, Florida alone would likely do it - but why bet it all on a single point of failure when they can target Florida, Ohio, Virgina, Colorado, Utah, Iowa and more. Of course, the GOP needs to be careful - if they don't watch out, they'll be feeding their own already growing fractures.)

I think the GOP in general will rally around Trump. Most of the chest pounding against Trump was for show and will soon fade into the past. Will it be enough for him to win? Maybe not. Time will tell.

[p291u]

I have a few religious conservative friends who were super Cruz. They said they will write his name on the ticket.


Meanwhile, in wasting your vote and being a pointless statistic land....

Yep, all they are doing is wasting their own time by even showing up at the ballot

[Lysah]

Here's the thing: The media has been pro-Trump when it comes to covering the Republican primaries and has not been pro-Cruz. Those kid gloves they've been handling Trump with will now start to come off and the protection that the mainstream media has been giving him up until now will vanish. Cruz never got the kid gloves in the first place... so if he'd gotten the nomination it would have been business as usual for him going forward anyway.

Well, Cruz largely got ignored completely, which honestly worked in his favor if you ask me. The only votes Cruz ever got were the extreme right religious nutjob crowd, the kind of people the other 80% of the country hates and wishes would die out already, the kind of people that get made fun of on a daily basis here on glorious old MMOC. Most moderate republicans are going to hate him because of his stances on gay rights and other social issues, not to mention he is just another establishment cronie despite the narrative he tries to sell, which leaves only the extreme right left to vote for him, because most of the left would rather slit their own throat than vote republican.

And let's not forget, Trump hasn't started campaigning against Hillary at all yet. I agree the media has a lot of sway over the outcome of elections, and the media is also has an extreme liberal bias, but I can't agree that this is particularly worse for any republican candidate or the other. They got an early lead on Trump and started pushing lies about him over a year ago and basically never mentioned Cruz at all...doesn't mean they wouldn't try to eviscerate Cruz if he got the nomination. If anything, the fact that Trump has endured these attacks for so long and is still coming out on top just proves he is the better choice, we don't know if Cruz would crumble under the weight of the media attention or not, but we can see Trump staying strong.

[Wildtree]

Do u really believe what u have written?

Because the way sensible people see it is that the Superdelegates makes it easier for the 'Elite' to know who to bribe. Its easier for them to place their own people in those positions so they control the vote.

Thats not being cynical thats sensible observation.

Therefore my original point that the 'elite' decided long ago that Hillary will win is completely accurate.... She will win because they will ensure that she wins.

again..... if you're sensible enough with your observations, it should not evade you that Clinton leads Sanders without those delegates.
Why does she have the majority of those super delegates? Because there was no serious candidate anywhere to be seen. It was for the longest time believed to be a primary with her being the only one in the race. Sanders was a late entry. By then the delegates had already committed.
But that does not mean that their vote is chiseled in stone. These delegates do in fact change their minds at times. As observed from prior election results.

And yes, I mean what I wrote, because I follow the results, not conspiracy theories.
You'd have a point if those delegates were installed for one purpose only, to secure a Clinton win. But that's not the case. They exist for nearly 50 years, and in the current form since 1984.

[Ghostpanther]

I'm afraid to break it to you but we aren't in the year 1981. In that Reagan landslide he won 56% of the white vote. But in 2012 Romney gained 59% of the white vote and lost by 24 states. Old white bigoted and racist republicans have been dying off at a double rate of knots for years now, there just isn't enough of them left. The old dog-whistle racism of Reagan does not work anymore on a diverse cosmopolitan electorate, and what's more, Trump isn't using a dog-whistle but a bullhorn. Just look at his favorability, or should I say unfavorability ratings -

Reagan won 61% of the popular votes. So it was not just white males voting for him. Obama won 51% of the popular vote and Romney 47%. It was very close, right down to the last votes in some key states, which Obama won. But you can continue to hold onto the polls which are always accurate.

[Wildtree]

I have a few religious conservative friends who were super Cruz. They said they will write his name on the ticket.


Meanwhile, in wasting your vote and being a pointless statistic land....

Depending on the states, it's possible that Cruz' name is still on the ballot anyway.
Wouldn't be the first time people no longer in the race beating people that are still in the race. Happened last with Rubio after he dropped out.

[BuckSparkles]

Depending on the states, it's possible that Cruz' name is still on the ballot anyway.
Wouldn't be the first time people no longer in the race beating people that are still in the race. Happened last with Rubio after he dropped out.

If the GOP loses this election, it will be due to the nevertrump folks.

If that happens, I plan to send a message to all my friends asking them if they feelgood about Clinton winning.