New Nato Missle Defense bas in Romainia to go live on thursday

[Wildtree]

The most important take away from the Cold War was that Russia wasn't brought low enough.

We just agree to disagree.. But I am not really surprised either way that you think the way you do. At the end of the day, and after all you live thousands of miles away from the physical incarnation of the "iron curtain". You cannot possibly comprehend how it was, period.
We, those who actually lived along those lines, don't want those times reanimated...
Besides the point is, that per track record the former USSR did and does a lot more towards deescalation. They got rid of more nukes, for the most part stopped the arms race, while said arms race degraded into a one man race with no slowing down.
There are two ways to look at things....... objective and subjective.
Objectively it's the US that needs to slow the hell down, subjectively we don't want those cold war tensions back in Europe. If you miss them, feel free to start them between Alaska and Siberia. Then you can go toe to toe with your favorite bogey man

[Cybran]

Why the fuck are you guys so obsessed with the rebirth of the stupid cold war?
Have you either learned nothing out of it, or were you simply too young/not alive while it was still going?

You are the guy who said that the biggest tragedy for Germany was the fall of the iron curtain and the sub-human Eastern Europeans who moved to your precious Germany.

[Ulmita]

According to you, Putin is the greatest politician of modern era.

How come he hasn`t realized but you, o`Great Greek, have?
Sounds like you deserve a spot in his advisory circle, eh?

Or maybe... you`re just flat out wrong about everything.

Lets see:

-USA is naming Russian #1 Enemy, thread to the USA --> Check
-USA has sucked into war two countries that Russia had bases in --> Check
-USA has tanks and missiles 20km away from Russian borders AS WE SPEAK --> Check
-USA is pushing Europe to war with Russians --> Check
-USA is waging a brutal financial war to the Russians --> Check

Do you want me to continue?

Be afraid of the day that Putin decides to push back. Right now USA is betting that he wont and thus why they are pulling all this shit.
What if he wakes up one morning and says "fuck this shit... yolo"?

[Wildtree]

You are the guy who said that the biggest tragedy for Germany was the fall of the iron curtain and the sub-human Eastern Europeans who moved to your precious Germany.

Find me, where I said that.
Making shit up again? Didn't you get banned already often enough for that?

[Deleted]

ITS GUARANTEED TO OWN any a/a system.

According to sources, Iskander-M missiles travels at speed of 2100 m/s cruising (hypersonic) (Mach 6-7).

That`s actually within the range of the max intercept speed for THAAD, Aegis SM-3's or even the new Patriots.

Here`s the official information about SM-3.

3 km/s (Mach 10.2) Block IA/B
4.5 km/s (Mach 15.25) Block IIA

THAAD`s speed is Mach 8.24 or 2.8 km/s.

So you`re pulling shit out of your ass.

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What if he wakes up one morning and says "fuck this shit... yolo"?

So you`re smarter than ''the greatest politician of modern era''.

Gotcha!

[Dezerte]

It sucks that it has come to this, but Russia has been a bit too aggressive towards Europe as a whole. Given the conflict in Ukraine it's understandable that other countries in that region are concerned.

[Ulmita]

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Ayy lmao.

I`ll just sit back and wait until he comes out with all the sources, as he always has. Gonna prep my snacks for that.

If you have even a tiny bit of brain you would understand that he can not prove not source anything like that, because IT HAS NOT BEEN TESTED, nor the USA knows the true capabilities of the various missiles the iskander system carries. He can only imagine and the results of his imaginations provides them here as facts.

All we know for certain is this:

1. Something that changes trajectory / course and speed while it travels, it renders useless trigonometry calculations. and
2. Russia uses Iskander-M-K as a counter measure to USA's ABM system.

Judging from the last and combining it with the fact that Russia builds the best missiles out there, one can safely assume (i am using the word assumption and not fact) that the system will fuck shit up if used.

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According to sources, Iskander-M missiles travels at speed of 2100 m/s cruising (hypersonic) (Mach 6-7).

That`s actually within the range of the max intercept speed for THAAD, Aegis SM-3's or even the new Patriots.

Here`s the official information about SM-3.


THAAD`s speed is Mach 8.24 or 2.8 km/s.

So you`re pulling shit out of your ass.

Speed its not the only variable needed to intercept.. Go back read again some more.

[Xires]

Let Americans waste their money.

Agreed. The Europeans (especially on THIS site) have always called for America to stop being the world police. I say we let Europe stand alone on this so we can watch how quickly they realize that they can't stand up to...well...anyone without us.

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Lets see:

-USA is naming Russian #1 Enemy, thread to the USA --> Check
-USA has sucked into war two countries that Russia had bases in --> Check
-USA has tanks and missiles 20km away from Russian borders AS WE SPEAK --> Check
-USA is pushing Europe to war with Russians --> Check
-USA is waging a brutal financial war to the Russians --> Check

Do you want me to continue?

Be afraid of the day that Putin decides to push back. Right now USA is betting that he wont and thus why they are pulling all this shit.
What if he wakes up one morning and says "fuck this shit... yolo"?

You do realize that Europe and NATO itself ASKED the US to send in more tanks and troops, right? This was AFTER we had pulled out the last our our tanks from Europe only to shortly after have to send them back. Every single soldier and piece of equipment that is there is at the request of the Europeans. Why? Because Europeans are NOT capable of fighting any wars on there own anymore because the US foots the bill as Europe's protector while Europe itself has very very small standing army's. That way they can think that their version of socialism works because they save billions a year on defense because of the US military.

[Ulmita]

Agreed. The Europeans (especially on THIS site) have always called for America to stop being the world police. I say we let Europe stand alone on this so we can watch how quickly they realize that they can't stand up to...well...anyone without us.

Lol dude. Europe would be just fine without you. Actually it would be a blessing if you just left us alone.

[Xires]

Even if out of those thousands they have only a few hundred work, is it really worth it when a single nuke landing can fuck a country for decades?

M.A.D. We can fuck them back just as hard.

[Cybran]

The West won the Cold War and it wasn't close. It's past time to remind Russia of its place in the world order. It lost the largest geopolitical struggle of the 20th century. There are consequences to things like that.

Is this why Kerry is on his knees in Moscow every other week asking for concessions and dialog? Your telemarketer routine doesn't work on people with decent grasp on world affairs.


Your talk is empty, just like the fiction digests you read from Stratfor and Rand.

[Xires]

Lol dude. Europe would be just fine without you. Actually it would be a blessing if you just left us alone.

lol No it wouldn't. It really wouldn't. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[Cybran]

lol No it wouldn't. It really wouldn't. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

The world would be a better place if the earth opened and swallowed the USA like in Return of the king. Less CIA coups, wars for oil and GMO poison.

[Ulmita]

lol No it wouldn't. It really wouldn't. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

You see, this is were the problem lies at.

a) You think Europe is defenseless when in reality if Europe wanted it could conquer for a second time America
b) You think Russians are evil and out to get us, when in reality Russians have responded to provokations around their borders and with an ally, and HAVEN"T GOT ALL AROUND THE PLANET, toppling governments and waging non stop wars, nor have armed terrorists AS THE USA HAS DONE AND STILL IS DOING.

So yeah, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!" just to quote you.

[Deleted]

If you have even a tiny bit of brain you would understand that he can not prove not source anything like that, because IT HAS NOT BEEN TESTED, nor the USA knows the true capabilities of the various missiles the iskander system carries. He can only imagine and the results of his imaginations provides them here as facts.

All we know for certain is this:

1. Something that changes trajectory / course and speed while it travels, it renders useless trigonometry calculations. and
2. Russia uses Iskander-M-K as a counter measure to USA's ABM system.

Judging from the last and combining it with the fact that Russia builds the best missiles out there, one can safely assume (i am using the word assumption and not fact) that the system will fuck shit up if used.

Speed its not the only variable needed to intercept.. Go back read again some more.

So admit you have no clue what you`re talking about. Nice to see - I mean, if you don`t trust sources and have no legit information, then your ramblings are just that as well.

But lets take what you said is ''for certain''.

1. Something that changes trajectory / course and speed while it travels, it renders useless trigonometry calculations.

So you have no clue what exactly it is... but it`s ''for certain''. Mkay. But I got your point, however here comes the spoiler alert : thrust vectoring is nothing new.

Russia uses Iskander-M-K as a counter measure to USA's ABM system.

As far as we know, they`re well within the intercept range for at least two different systems.

with the fact that Russia builds the best missiles out there

For someone who loves facts, you sure provided enough of those to back this claim up.

Speed its not the only variable needed to intercept.. Go back read again some more.

I`m all ears - enlighten me with your knowledge.

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Is this why Kerry is on his knees in Moscow every other week asking for concessions and dialog?

*cluck* *cluck* PROOOOFS! *cluck* *cluck*

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a) You think Europe is defenseless when in reality if Europe wanted it could conquer for a second time America

Oh yeah, with our amazing A-400`s that don`t fly and our amazing conventional carriers and our amazing LHDs, we sure could conquer America - nation where every other bum has a gun.
Meanwhile, daily reminder that Germany had to ask Ukrainians to plug them with Antonovs to transport few hundred troops. Truly, the impressive European military.

I mean, is this shit that floats in your brain?

[Wildtree]

lol No it wouldn't. It really wouldn't. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

You see, this is were the problem lies at.

a) You think Europe is defenseless when in reality if Europe wanted it could conquer for a second time America

Are you both out of your mind?

[Deleted]

b) You think Russians are evil and out to get us, when in reality Russians have responded to provokations around their borders and with an ally, and HAVEN"T GOT ALL AROUND THE PLANET, toppling governments and waging non stop wars, nor have armed terrorists AS THE USA HAS DONE AND STILL IS DOING.

No one here thinks in simplistic terms of ''evil'' verrsus ''good''. It says a lot about you when you try to rationalize world affairs in such infantile way.

As for going ''all around the world'' - they could, so they did. No one else has the means to pull that off, so they didn`t, don`t and they won`t.
Simples!

[Xires]

You see, this is were the problem lies at.

a) You think Europe is defenseless when in reality if Europe wanted it could conquer for a second time America
b) You think Russians are evil and out to get us, when in reality Russians have responded to provokations around their borders and with an ally, and HAVEN"T GOT ALL AROUND THE PLANET, toppling governments and waging non stop wars, nor have armed terrorists AS THE USA HAS DONE AND STILL IS DOING.

So yeah, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!" just to quote you.

Wow, wonder what crazy world you live in. Invade us with what? We have a bigger Navy then all of Europe combined to include more super carriers then Europe combined. The French after about two weeks in Lybia had to ask the US for missiles because the French ran out.
The US could beat the shit out of Europe's military's combined- you know that right? You are just an angry Greek who like your government blames your faults upon others and takes no responsibility for the fact that your government ran your country into the dirt almost causing a chain reaction in the EU. lol

Europe never conquered America a 1st time either. So you obviously don't realize the military might of the US and the military weakness of the EU and its members. Even Germany has equipment issues while the rest of Europe has further diminished their already small military's even further.
You are obviously just an angry 12 year old with no knowledge of the world and how ineffective Europe and NATO itself is without the US. Even your world leaders know this and admit this...so you should too.
I would LOVE to leave Europe at the hands of the Russians again.

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Are you both out of your mind?

No- we just know how incapable Europe and NATO has proven itself without US support. I don't know about you but I watch the news and read history. After WW2 ended Europe has relied upon the US for protection. Plain and simple.

[Ulmita]

Oh yeah, with our amazing A-400`s that don`t fly and our amazing conventional carriers and our amazing LHDs, we sure could conquer America - nation where every other bum has a gun.
Meanwhile, daily reminder that Germany had to ask Ukrainians to plug them with Antonovs to transport few hundred troops. Truly, the impressive European military.

I mean, is this shit that floats in your brain?

Right now EU army is in a poor state, because EU inst delusional seeing enemies all around it. If Europe decided to fully militarize some Alliens somewhere far away would poop in their pants.

WW2 wasn't that back, have you forgotten?
Besides, we invaded war child, never forget that. Don't confuse absence of interest with weakness.

[Xires]

You see, this is were the problem lies at.

a) You think Europe is defenseless when in reality if Europe wanted it could conquer for a second time America
b) You think Russians are evil and out to get us, when in reality Russians have responded to provokations around their borders and with an ally, and HAVEN"T GOT ALL AROUND THE PLANET, toppling governments and waging non stop wars, nor have armed terrorists AS THE USA HAS DONE AND STILL IS DOING.

So yeah, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!" just to quote you.

Russia has armed terrorists and has been for decades. They are doing it...RIGHT NOW. LOL!!! Damn, you are not very smart or well informed are you? Greece has a shitty economy and you are here on the computer draining energy....shouldn't you be trying to WORK or something. I know "WORK" is a strange concept in a socialist country that killed itself because half the population got tired of and couldn't afford to take care of the other half. Remember- eventually you run out of someone else's money Mr. Greek.

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Right now EU army is in a poor state, because EU inst delusional seeing enemies all around it. If Europe decided to fully militarize some Alliens somewhere far away would poop in their pants.

WW2 wasn't that back, have you forgotten?
Besides, we invaded war child, never forget that. Don't confuse absence of interest with weakness.

I have NO IDEA what you just said because that was some broken english right there.

Europe started two world wars in a single century and even then both of those wars the allies were getting their asses kicked by the Germans until the US came in. At the same time the US was also on the other side of the planet saving Asia and Australia from the Japanese empire and we took them on basically by ourselves.

Yes, I saw a German country take out Europe and had England on the defensive. You HAD large army's then and you still needed the US. Now you have a small army and you still need the US. The "League of Nations" (before NATO) did not have the US as apart of it and thus it fell apart and WW1 and WW2 happened. Ever since the US has been involved...Europe can no longer start anymore world wars and we haven't had a major war ever since.