Poland will not accept refugees because they pose a threat to the country’s security

[Hengwulf]

Because they are in a union with us and we tell them to take them.

This isn't exactly how an union works.

[Eazy]

Because they are in a union with us and we tell them to take them.

Why you keep talking "WE", if you're not in the Brussel on a high position?

Anyway, they have no right to tell us who we should take and who we shouldn't. Poland already took a big amount of Ukrainian and one one gave a single fuck about that, but suddenly they have to take Syrian also?

They've had months to negotiate the specifics.
The problem is that these countries want to benefit from it.
These plans are to share the burden, not to have countries benefit from this unstoppable problem.

Like Germany of France, who wants to take ~250k € from Poland for every immigrant that should've been in Poland but they didn't take it.

That's pretty fucked up and unfair if you ask me.

[Mehrunes]

What do you think would have happened if battle of Vienna had been lost n the Ottomans won?...

They'd push further west against their actual enemies? Particularly Italy, which was their wet dream since Suleiman. Or fuck around Africa and India with Portugal some more.

[Acidbaron]

This isn't true. The idea to change abortion laws comes from a small group of pro-life fanatics, citizens, not deputies. Opposition tries to make it look it is ruling party's idea, just to make them look bad, and the ruling party can't just dimiss the idea right away because they're scared of losing the catholic fundamentalists' support but they aren't interested in passing that law. It happened before.

PM supports it personally and the opposition can't make the PM speak for them so that is false also.

[Cizr]

Because they signed international treaties to do so (treaties that heve nothing to do with the EU).

according to treaties the so called "refugees" have to stay in first safe country

The obvious choice would be to leave the EU, they are free to do that you know?!
But then they wouldn't get the benefts anymore.

what benefits are you talking about ?

[Hengwulf]

They've had months to negotiate the specifics.
The problem is that these countries want to benefit from it.
These plans are to share the burden, not to have countries benefit from this unstoppable problem.

This is not the case. We are currently a very homogenic society. People are scared of muslims, because they associate them with terrorism, unwillingness to merge, horrible attitude towards women - the social approval to taking in even the legit muslim refugees is very low, and politicians have to take this into account.

Then there is another problem - if we agree on taking in the refugees, more will follow, so the issue will only escalate - people will go from Asia and Africa, many will drown, many will be victimized by unscrupulous smugglers. There are way more people willing to come to Europe than there is space here.

Yet another problem - how do we keep in the people, who don't want to even be here? By force? Impossible. But if we guarantee them the same social care as they could have in western Europe to keep them here, our own citizens will react very badly, because what would those immigrants get for free would be much more than what many of us can earn in full time jobs. That would cause social unrest and another escalation of xenophobia.

As you can see, benefitting from it is the least of our concerns.

[Cricket22]

No, not really.
They do quite well in the polls, but they did quite well in previous polls and than lost hard in the actual elections.
People just like to threaten to vote on the extremists. Luckily they are too smart for that on the actual elections.

And in order to become Prime Minister, your government needs a majority in the House of Representatives.
The PVV will never obtain this majority because they like to insult and attack anyone that doesn't agree with them.
The first party that collaborates with them would sign their own death penalty.
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I've read a few things he's said, which seem rather contentious and inflammatory. From from what I've heard though, he's picked up a lot of support and is definitely in the running.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...nds-must-leave

"Wilders, 52, whose party leads opinion polls with calls to close Dutch borders to refugees, pledged to immediately pull the Netherlands out of the 28-nation EU should he become prime minister in elections due in March next year. The EU is unraveling and that’s to be encouraged, he said, urging the U.K. to quit the bloc in its forthcoming referendum."

"A household name in the Netherlands since 2004, when he split from the mainstream Liberal party to form his own on an anti-Islam platform, the bouffant-haired blond has enjoyed a swell of support as voters grow increasingly alarmed at the arrival in Europe of more than a million refugees from Syria and elsewhere. The latest poll showed him winning the most parliamentary seats -- as many as Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s Liberals won in 2012 -- if elections were held now."

"For Wilders to succeed Rutte, he will need to ensure that the Freedom Party emerges “as big as possible” from the next elections. Amid a fractious parliament, sizable support would make it difficult for other groups to shun him as he bids to form a government, he said. “I believe that parties that exclude us today will have a different tune next year.”"

"Wilders, who lives under constant government security protection, rejects the idea that Syrians seeking a home in the Netherlands are refugees at all, noting that to get there, they passed through other peaceful countries. He says Gulf nations should take more people in and Syrian men of military age should return to the country to fight, rather than European troops being sent in. Dutch warplanes are flying missions over Iraq in order to fight Islamic State."

“Europe cannot handle this any more,” Wilders said, citing incidents such as the sexual assaults reported in Germany over the New Year’s celebrations, including in Cologne, close to the Dutch border."

"Wilders has enjoyed popular support before in polls, only to falter on election day. He acknowledged that he needs to keep voters engaged over the next year, saying he’s not celebrating yet."

[Hengwulf]

PM supports it personally and the opposition can't make the PM speak for them so that is false also.

PM says what a good catholic would, but she can't really decide that. Only the majority in Sejm can pass the law, and the leader of this majority is a clever old fox, who faced this issue many times before. He won't oppose the idea openly, but he won't allow it either.

[Azgraal]

If Merkel wasn't so hot on welcoming everyone into Europe we wouldn't have to force our less equiped co-members from the east to accept unruly and uncompliant people.

[Cannibalus]

It is funny how they enjoy all the EU benefits but don't want to lift a finger to help it.

You obviously don't know jack shit about history. Many countries that are currently in the EU were fucked up by Germany, URSS (soviet russia) and USA, either by direct action or by them sitting idle when they were supposed to fix what they broke. A lot of stuff was stolen by Germany and URSS, just like that, they walked in museums and took whatever the fuck they wanted. Funny enough Greece even "forgave" Germany and cancelled their debt and many many more "small" countries tries to appease these "alpha" countries by forgiving them, cancelling their debt and letting them keep the tens of millions of euros worth of patrimony.

I just love this, because it's a reminder of what these big, powerful countries did and continue to do, aka bullying the other, less powerful countries. FUCK THEM! If you ever wonder why the lesser countries aren't that civilized, understand that it's because of fear, brought upon by the uncertanties of life, for decades on row, a fear that is embedded and passed on each generation. Just look at how many old people look out their windows, sometimes for some solid tens of minutes, while it may look funny, i wouldn't want to be in their shoes.

[Cybran]

we tell them to take them.

You don't get to make this decision for them. You want to be benevolent. You want harbor the misery of the entire world and you want to risk the security and rights of your people.

Be our guest. Don't shove your moral imperialism on the rest of us.

[Hooked]

Sounds like common sense to me, well done Poland.

[DarkAmbient]

A European country actually protecting its borders *faints*

[Cizr]

If Merkel wasn't so hot on welcoming everyone into Europe we wouldn't have to force our less equiped co-members from the east to accept unruly and uncompliant people.

its not about being "less equiped". Few of the "Easten" Europe countries got higher HDI than some "Western" countries. Its about not being suicidal.

[classic username]

Germany will have to use it's tanks to create Livingroom for the middle eastern refugees.

Germany has enough room for unwelcomed Refugees... its just that some People thought it would be a good Ideat to give it to Poland

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You obviously don't know jack shit about history. Many countries that are currently in the EU were fucked up by Germany, URSS (soviet russia) and USA, either by direct action or by them sitting idle when they were supposed to fix what they broke. A lot of stuff was stolen by Germany and URSS, just like that, they walked in museums and took whatever the fuck they wanted. Funny enough Greece even "forgave" Germany and cancelled their debt and many many more "small" countries tries to appease these "alpha" countries by forgiving them, cancelling their debt and letting them keep the tens of millions of euros worth of patrimony.

I just love this, because it's a reminder of what these big, powerful countries did and continue to do, aka bullying the other, less powerful countries. FUCK THEM! If you ever wonder why the lesser countries aren't that civilized, understand that it's because of fear, brought upon by the uncertanties of life, for decades on row, a fear that is embedded and passed on each generation. Just look at how many old people look out their windows, sometimes for some solid tens of minutes, while it may look funny, i wouldn't want to be in their shoes.

Yes yes yes blame other Nations for your non existent Progress... The War is over ... HOW LONG ????

[Cizr]

Germany has enough room for unwelcomed Refugees... its just that some People thought it would be a good Ideat to give it to Poland

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Yes yes yes blame other Nations for your non existent Progress... The War is over ... HOW LONG ????

you really know nothing about history. Its not about ww2 but about what happened after

[Acidbaron]

PM says what a good catholic would, but she can't really decide that. Only the majority in Sejm can pass the law, and the leader of this majority is a clever old fox, who faced this issue many times before. He won't oppose the idea openly, but he won't allow it either.

A good catholic is against women rights and prefers to let them die? Interesting notion, also hiding behind religion is political cowardice and not an excuse either.

In any case, we have the notion that i have to blindly believe you that they don't really mean it or i can pick up any decent press that states they are indeed supporting it. Also this is just one case, not just even speaking of the whole deal with the press going on in Poland.

[Arrashi]

Poland should be more concerned of threat within, since the current government seems set on turning back the clock on several basic rights, such as abortion laws.

All under the guise of christian morality, all that fear of muslims while the most dominant religion in their country is inspiring laws that are equally terrible as the so called sharia law they fear.

Honestly i will take this threat from within 10 out of 10 times over those wonderful refugees. And this is coming from someone in extreme opposition to our current government.

[Deleted]

It's not funny actually.
Germany was one of the countries that destroyed and plundered Poland in WW2.
Later Poland was also left to rot under Soviet rule by the Allies.

Actually it is funny because after Germany destroyed and plundered Poland in WW2 as you said, guess what happened to many polish citizen and even high level gov officials?

They fled Poland becoming refugees and found help in other countries, now when the situation is reversed they close their border and i see many people here applaud them for it.

[Cizr]

Actually it is funny because after Germany destroyed and plundered Poland in WW2 as you said, guess what happened to many polish citizen and even high level gov officials?

They fled Poland becoming refugees and found help in other countries, now when the situation is reversed they close their border and i see many people here applaud them for it.

yes yes I remember thousand Poles going to Germany,spreading Christianity and different culture,ignoring laws,leeching welfare and raping natives
/sarcasm