French WWI concert scrapped after far-right fuss over rapper

[Cthulhu 2020]

Why do you have to be white to pay homage to dead white people in the bloodiest war in history that involved the most countries ever?

[Samesnotatroll]

All I'm saying is it's inappropriate, and you seem to understand why.

A black rapper doesn't represent the people who fell at Verdun.

You are a jackass, he is a human being honoring fallen human beings. Has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE.


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[Reeve]

The ninety-nine percent of the population that has never seen a musical - nor will they ever see a musical - on Broadway (let alone, Hamilton). In other words, THAT SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION! Hence, the query, "Why are you citing a musical that a large segment of the population has no desire to see as an appropriate option for a war memorial?"

P.S. Anyways, I'm moving on. Y'all take care!

Because there is a large segment of society that DO want to see that musical, and it's essentially about memorializing the life and death of an American icon, made by a man who is not of the same ethnicity as that icon using music that Hamilton himself probably wouldn't have loved. The fact that not everyone in the country wants to go to the musical doesn't make it any less of a success, or any less respectful or appropriate towards Hamilton.

The same is true of this rap concert. So what if large numbers of people wouldn't want to attend? Those that did attend would enjoy it and would probably find it highly appropriate and respectful of the dead. That's all that matters.

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The ninety-nine percent of the population that has never seen a musical - nor will they ever see a musical - on Broadway (let alone, Hamilton). In other words, THAT SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION! Hence, the query, "Why are you citing a musical that a large segment of the population has no desire to see as an appropriate option for a war memorial?"

P.S. Anyways, I'm moving on. Y'all take care!

Because there is a large segment of society that DO want to see that musical, and it's essentially about memorializing the life and death of an American icon, made by a man who is not of the same ethnicity as that icon using music that Hamilton himself probably wouldn't have loved. The fact that not everyone in the country wants to go to the musical doesn't make it any less of a success, or any less respectful or appropriate towards Hamilton.

The same is true of this rap concert. So what if large numbers of people wouldn't want to attend? Those that did attend would enjoy it and would probably find it highly appropriate and respectful of the dead. That's all that matters.

[Kraenen]

What does this have to do with anything? We have people who represent art forms of great wars of all different races. And just to be clear, I've never been against actors of various ethnic backgrounds representing other races unless they were egregiously miscast. This is not the case. Even if there weren't black soldiers in WW1 (which there were) he's still representing an art form to pay homage to dead soldiers, which is a highly respectable thing to do.

You don't suddenly have to be white to show respect to dead white people.

That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard.

Do you have proof he was going to sing about them?

Also, I never once said there were no black soldiers in WW1

Anyone can show respect, or pay homage. You seem to think you have to sing at a concert in order to do that though, which is weird.

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You are a jackass, he is a human being honoring fallen human beings. Has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE.

Honouring them how? By throwing slurs at them like Kufar?

[Pangean]

There's no point in continuing this discussion.

a) The title of the thread is already biased against the members of the National Front (as anything to the right of Communism is, by default, far-right).
b) The individuals in question aren't French.
c) The individuals in question are against the rising tide of French nationalism.
d) The event in question is a memorial for the dead who, regardless of the personal beliefs of individuals within the modern era, died in defense of their homeland.
e) The dead, given the time frame of the era in which they lived, would have never listened to the music in question (even if it had existed at the time).
f) The musical genre in question is pure, unadulterated garbage.
g) The entire situation - given the context in which it's to be held - is entirely inappropriate.
h) It appears to be a setup by the "left" to make the "right" appear to be intolerant and bigoted, i.e. it's purely political.
i) Any reasonable individual could come to the realization that this is an inappropriate venue for such music.

Y'all take care!

a) The National Front are far right.
b) Yeah he is French. So explain to us all why he isn't.
c) So? Your type of nationalism is the carbuncle on the side of humanity.
d) And?
e) Speaker of the dead are you?
f) Because you say so?
h) And even if that was the case you are here to prove them correct.
i) Without knowing what he was actually going to do it's simply your attempt to project your beliefs onto others.

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Is a black soldier representative of those who fought in WW1? Didn't think so.

You do how many black soldiers fought for France in WWI right? 100,000 died fighting for France. Your ignorance is stunning.

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The ninety-nine percent of the population that has never seen a musical - nor will they ever see a musical - on Broadway (let alone, Hamilton). In other words, THAT SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION! Hence, the query, "Why are you citing a musical that a large segment of the population has no desire to see as an appropriate option for a war memorial?"

P.S. Anyways, I'm moving on. Y'all take care!

Does not mean they do not want to see one. And 99%. Where do you get that figure? Is there a high school in America that doesn't run a musical every year? I love when folks like you think they speak for anyone but themselves and proudly claim otherwise. It's so convincing.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Do you have proof he was going to sing about them?

Also, I never once said there were no black soldiers in WW1

Anyone can show respect, or pay homage. You seem to think you have to sing at a concert in order to do that though, which is weird.

We don't know he was going to sing ABOUT them, but it was a commemorative event. It wasn't going to be disrespectful in the least unless your only objection is to take offense to someone of a different skin color at your commemoration event. But there are only certain types of people who take offense to that, and they wear white robes and name their leaders grand wizards and supreme dragons.

[Melkandor]

http://www.idahostatesman.com/entert...e77395367.html

The terrorists have won in Europe. They're too scared to do anything that's edgy now.

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Why do you have to be white to pay homage to dead white people in the bloodiest war in history that involved the most countries ever?

WW2 was the bloodiest war in 20th century history. This thread is about WW1.

[Shadowswann]

As a french , i find this right , he is a pretty shitty raper that has nothing to do there . And for you information no , im not some right extremist , i dont give a fuck about these commemorations , but knowing that stupid rapper (rappers are not stupid / bad , but this one is the cancer of rap) will do a concert for ww1 commemoration makes me sick

[Kraenen]

We don't know he was going to sing ABOUT them, but it was a commemorative event. It wasn't going to be disrespectful in the least unless your only objection is to take offense to someone of a different skin color at your commemoration event. But there are only certain types of people who take offense to that, and they wear white robes and name their leaders grand wizards and supreme dragons.

rofl. A KKK reference, how cute.

Look up the word "Kufar" and tell me that's not disrespectful.

[Deleted]

I'm aware of their political history, but it's not a far-right party in the traditional sense. Is AfD a far-right party? What about the Swedish Democrats? The National Front started out as a French version of fascism/national socialism, and neither movement was "far-right" as they accepted policies from both sides of the political spectrum, i.e. they're widely regarded as third position. In that regard, yes, the title of the thread is biased, and since the term is fluid in nature, I don't consider one of the largest parties in France to be "far-right."

As long as a party has a strong emphasis on tradition and revoking important social progress such as the right to abort for free for instance, it leans towards the far right. Reactionary political views and emphasis on tradition are some of the key characteristics of a far right party. No matter how popular it is, if it holds far right positions, it remains a far right party. Full blown far right parties don't exist anymore, so the political spectrum changed over time.

[Kraenen]

Why do you have to be white to pay homage to dead white people in the bloodiest war in history that involved the most countries ever?

It has to be either this or your claim that Islam is the world's biggest religion with 3 billion people. I mean seriously, open up wikipedia.

[Cthulhu 2020]

rofl. A KKK reference, how cute.

Look up the word "Kufar" and tell me that's not disrespectful.

It's a word muslims use to refer to non muslims. Not sure what that has to do with this, especially considering there were lots of black french soldiers, and your only proof was trying to conjure up an image of the "typical" WW2 soldiers.

[Kraenen]

It's a word muslims use to refer to non muslims. Not sure what that has to do with this, especially considering there were lots of black french soldiers, and your only proof was trying to conjure up an image of the "typical" WW2 soldiers.

Dude, seriously, get informed before talking out of your ass.

[In Ogres We Trust]

a) The National Front are far right.
b) Yeah he is French. So explain to us all why he isn't.
c) So? Your type of nationalism is the carbuncle on the side of humanity.
d) And?
e) Speaker of the dead are you?
f) Because you say so?
h) And even if that was the case you are here to prove them correct.
i) Without knowing what he was actually going to do it's simply your attempt to project your beliefs onto others.

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You do how many black soldiers fought for France in WWI right? 100,000 died fighting for France. Your ignorance is stunning.

a) The National Front is a mainstream party, so in that regard, no, they're not "far-right" as the term is merely being used as a SMEAR to attack their positions, i.e. the positions that a significant portion of France and Europe embrace (not to mention that the origins of the party and the ideologies that you're associating them with were THIRD POSITION).
b) No, he's not French, and it's rather obvious why he isn't.
c) And what is my type of nationalism, because I consider my policies to be in step with the bulk of human history, i.e. they're the sane policies versus the insane policies that you espouse?
d) ...
e) Given the historical positions and climate of the era, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what they would have considered to be appropriate behavior and music.
f) Yes, it's an opinion.
g) It seems that you skipped over this part.
h) And? I dislike foreigners (outside of trading and visiting), and I'm a nationalist. So what? Are you going to bring out the racist card, because I wouldn't care about the race of the individual singer as long as the performance was appropriate?
i) If he's going to rap at a war memorial then, yes, by the bulk of society, his performance would be considered inappropriate. So what?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Dude, seriously, get informed before talking out of your ass.

So you've gone on to ad hominems once it's been pointed out that there were lots of black french soldiers. Cute.

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Here's the party that caused this ruckus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)

Their view on German occupation of France during WW2 was that it was not inhumane, and that gas chambers in Germany were only a "point of detail" in history. Great people to be agreeing with.

[Kraenen]

So you've gone on to ad hominems once it's been pointed out that there were lots of black french soldiers. Cute.

I even mentioned this myself and noted there should be specific concerts or memorials for the black soldiers. Thanks for calling me cute. I mean it's the exact same thing I called you for a half-assed connection to the KKK, but that's cool, don't have to be original.

Telling you to get informed about the subject isn't an ad hominem, unless your standard for intellectual honesty is really that low...

[In Ogres We Trust]

As long as a party has a strong emphasis on tradition and revoking important social progress such as the right to abort for free for instance, it leans towards the far right. Reactionary political views and emphasis on tradition are one of the key characteristics of a far right party. No matter how popular it is, if it holds far right positions, it remains a far right party

Important social progression to whom? Once again, if the Front National is one of the largest parties in France then its positions are MAINSTREAM, i.e. at the center!

[Tijuana]

http://www.idahostatesman.com/entert...e77395367.html

Why would France celebrate a war that didn't involve Napoleon?

[GennGreymane]

Why would France celebrate a war that didn't involve Napoleon?

You know what

this is the best post in the thread.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I even mentioned this myself. Thanks for repeating what I said.

Telling you to get informed about the subject isn't an ad hominem, unless your standard for intellectual honesty is really that low...

Saying I'm talking out of my ass however, is.

More informed than you it seems, since your only defense/proof of your statement was to attempt to conjure up an image of what you consider the typical WW2 soldier... when in reality hundreds of thousands of blacks fought and died in WW2.

So it's clearly you who doesn't know what he's talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)

The people you agree with. Their view on German occupation of France during WW2 was that it was not inhumane, and that gas chambers in Germany were only a "point of detail" in history. Great people to be agreeing with.