French WWI concert scrapped after far-right fuss over rapper

[Pangean]

And again, you think this represents the people who fought at Verdun?

I'd love to see a concert specifically for the black soldiers who served and fell for the west in WW1/WW2. I just don't think this particular one is appropriate.

I think it represents that Blacks were an integral part of the French Army. And that Blacks make up part of the countries population currently. Blacks being part of a memorial is quite appropriate.

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Anyone can show respect, or pay homage. You seem to think you have to sing at a concert in order to do that though, which is weird.

The Concert for Valor says hello.

[Kalis]

It's a word muslims use to refer to non muslims. Not sure what that has to do with this, especially considering there were lots of black french soldiers, and your only proof was trying to conjure up an image of the "typical" WW2 soldiers.

Kuffar is used as an insult, to try and claim otherwise is incredibly disingenuous, it would be like saying nigger is just a word people use to refer to black people.

This particular rapper referred to France as a 'kuffar country', so even if you do not have an issue with rappers, this one is certainly inappropriate for a WWI commemoration in France.

[In Ogres We Trust]

So you've gone on to ad hominems once it's been pointed out that there were lots of black french soldiers. Cute.

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Here's the party that caused this ruckus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)

Their view on German occupation of France during WW2 was that it was not inhumane, and that gas chambers in Germany were only a "point of detail" in history. Great people to be agreeing with.

The horror of the National Socialist occupation:



How horrible! Here's a tip: don't start a war against Germany and then complain when the Germans occupy your capital.

P.S. Their viewpoints on the German occupation of France are, to be frank, rather on point with them being benign in nature (at least in comparison to the conflict to the east).

[Pangean]

It has to be either this or your claim that Islam is the world's biggest religion with 3 billion people. I mean seriously, open up wikipedia.

Why do you have to be white to pay homage to dead white people?

[Kellorion]

You haven't given an actual reason... I mean how is rapping appropriate at a WW1 Verdun memorial?

You havent either, how is it inappropiate?

[Kalis]

The horror of the National Socialist occupation:


How horrible! Here's a tip: don't start a war against Germany and then complain when the Germans occupy your capital.

P.S. Their viewpoints on the German occupation of France are, to be frank, rather on point with them being benign in nature (at least in comparison to the conflict to the east).

They wiped out entire villages in France, they were hardly benign.

[Cthulhu 2020]

The horror of the National Socialist occupation:

The fuck are you on m8?

The German occupation of France involved destroying entire areas, forced unpaid labor and even shipping French citizens to Germany to work there by force. The Jewish citizens... well we know their fate. These guys are just short of being Holocaust deniers.

[Kellorion]

Who really knows. In the end you're saying you're confident he had songs about it, and I'm just skeptical that he did when you have no evidence for it.

And you have no evidence agaisnt it.

[Kraenen]

And you have no evidence agaisnt it.

Yeah actually there's been some song lyrics posted through the thread. Nice to see you agree there's no evidence he was going to make songs about Verdun, though.

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Important social progression to whom? Once again, if the Front National is one of the largest parties in France then its positions are MAINSTREAM, i.e. at the center!

The position of a party is not based on its popularity, in fact, centrist parties are the least popular, the only centrist party that leans neither towards the left or the right in France has ... 2 members in the parliament, which is three times less as the... communist party. As for the national front, they have a few parliament members located at the far right of the hemicycle.
Wether a party is on the left, on the right depends on where it stands as compared with the other parties, for instance, if the democrat american party was to be a french party, it'd be a right wing party. Because the right wing is rather conservative, the parties that are even more conservative and reactionary are the far right parties.
The left doesn't hold the same views as the left of say, 100 years ago, for instance, because all of the political parties changed their stances since

Centrist's positions are not "mainstream" at all, it's quite the opposite, the moderate right wing and left wing are much much more popular

[Pangean]

a) The National Front is a mainstream party, so in that regard, no, they're not "far-right" as the term is merely being used as a SMEAR to attack their positions, i.e. the positions that a significant portion of France and Europe embrace (not to mention that the origins of the party and the ideologies that you're associating them with were THIRD POSITION).
b) No, he's not French, and it's rather obvious why he isn't.
c) And what is my type of nationalism, because I consider my policies to be in step with the bulk of human history, i.e. they're the sane policies versus the insane policies that you espouse?
d) ...
e) Given the historical positions and climate of the era, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what they would have considered to be appropriate behavior and music.
f) Yes, it's an opinion.
g) It seems that you skipped over this part.
h) And? I dislike foreigners (outside of trading and visiting), and I'm a nationalist. So what? Are you going to bring out the racist card, because I wouldn't care about the race of the individual singer as long as the performance was appropriate?
i) If he's going to rap at a war memorial then, yes, by the bulk of society, his performance would be considered inappropriate. So what?

a) Yes it is. I don't care if gets votes. It's still far right.
b) Yes he is french. And it's not obvious why he isn't. So either prove he isn't french or state your reason to make that claim.
c) Your nationalism is the bizarre ramblings that racists use to defend their racism.
d) Blacks didn't fight for France? That why you skipped it?
e) You have no idea what they would do if they heard it. You are simply projecting your own views onto them.
f) And as such useless.
g) It was nothing but a statement by you that it was inappropriate.
h) I was pointing out that you demonstrated that even if this was the reason for doing this you proved them right.
i) Once again speaking for others and projecting your views onto them. You have no idea what his performance would have been. None.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Yeah actually there's been some song lyrics posted through the thread. Nice to see you agree there's no evidence he was going to make songs about Verdun, though.

The songs have to be about them? Didn't know that was a requirement of a commemorative event.

Still waiting for proof that it's inappropriate at a commemorative event. The only other people who feel it's inappropriate are people who are a couple of nuts short of being straight up holocaust deniers.

[nextormento]

Controversial musician is considered not appropriate for serious historical event.
More news at 11.

[Kraenen]

The songs have to be about them? Didn't know that was a requirement of a commemorative event.

Still waiting for proof that it's inappropriate at a commemorative event. The only other people who feel it's inappropriate are a couple of nuts short of being straight up holocaust deniers.

Yeah in order to be appropriate the song lyrics should have something to do with Verdun. This has already been argued this in the thread.

Maybe expand your reportoire of rhetorical fallacies beyond just "ad hominem". Check out this one for instance! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

[Crispin]

The horror of the National Socialist occupation:


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How horrible! Here's a tip: don't start a war against Germany and then complain when the Germans occupy your capital.

P.S. Their viewpoints on the German occupation of France are, to be frank, rather on point with them being benign in nature (at least in comparison to the conflict to the east).

wtf, you kinda missed the point were French jews were shipped to Auswitch, not the summer camp version.

If Mexico invaded and occupied USA tomorrow, and shipped all the african-americans to colombia to gas them, would you go "it wasnt so bad, really"
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When I say shipped, I mean stack them in cargo trains like caddle for days

[Reeve]

Kuffar is used as an insult, to try and claim otherwise is incredibly disingenuous, it would be like saying nigger is just a word people use to refer to black people.

This particular rapper referred to France as a 'kuffar country', so even if you do not have an issue with rappers, this one is certainly inappropriate for a WWI commemoration in France.

Not a bad argument, but also not the one Raybourne is making. He's saying a black rapper is inherently inappropriate.

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Kuffar is used as an insult, to try and claim otherwise is incredibly disingenuous, it would be like saying nigger is just a word people use to refer to black people.

This particular rapper referred to France as a 'kuffar country', so even if you do not have an issue with rappers, this one is certainly inappropriate for a WWI commemoration in France.

Not a bad argument, but also not the one Raybourne is making. He's saying a black rapper is inherently inappropriate.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Yeah in order to be appropriate the song lyrics should have something to do with Verdun. This has already been argued this in the thread.

Maybe expand your reportoire of rhetorical fallacies beyond just "ad hominem". Check out this one for instance! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

Then we'll have to agree to disagree then, as I've been to and have known many commemorative events where the artists and other musicians who held concerts didn't sing about the thing we were commemorating, as the event was more about people getting together, and the artists were just part of the entertainment.

Seems an association fallacy here is that someone has to be white to honor fallen white soldiers.

[Ealyssa]

How so? In what way does a black rapper memorialize Verdun?

They faught at Verdun. I think you haven't a single clue about who were in the french troups during the WW1...

[Kraenen]

Not a bad argument, but also not the one Raybourne is making. He's saying a black rapper is inherently inappropriate.

I actually did note that (I think on the first page) but tred lightly because it was speculation at the time. Looks like it is verifiably a derogatory term used against France in one of his songs.

Also it's not like he can't make his own arguments. Not like I'm the arbiter of disagreement for his event, lol.

[Kalis]

The songs have to be about them? Didn't know that was a requirement of a commemorative event.

Still waiting for proof that it's inappropriate at a commemorative event. The only other people who feel it's inappropriate are people who are a couple of nuts short of being straight up holocaust deniers.

Thousands of French people protested that Black M was inappropriate for a Verdun memorial.

You seem to have skipped over your claim that 'kuffar' is just a word for Muslims to describe non-Muslims, so can you explain why you made that claim? You are either ignorant or lying, so which one is it?