This is how fascism comes to America

[Tierbook]

...have you read your own quote you have in your signature? That pretty much sums up Trump in a nutshell...

Trumps the one that doesn't want to play with them anymore. So he took control of the party.

[Sunseeker]

Desperate poor people clinging to a loud, charismatic(?) voice promising them greatness and wealth? It's almost like you need, I dunno maybe a whole fuckton of desperate and poor people for that.

Trump isn't the problem. Trump is the disgusting, infected, hairy boil created by the sickness. Fascism, along with any sort of radical and often violent social change comes about when you have a lot of poor, desperate people who feel disenfranchised by their government who only feel like things are getting worse for the many.

So if you don't want radical, potentially bad social change, here's a hint: keep your people well fed, well-funded and happy.

[Tierbook]

Stalin wasn't a Communist. We've never seen an actual Communist. We've had Lenism, Maoism, and Stalinism but never Communism.

The thing about Communism is that everytime someone tries it it'll work at first, then it goes horrendously bad and those who previously called it Communism say it wasn't true communism, see Venezuela.

[Gen4Glock21]

Ugg! The is Trump a fascist article. Here is a link posing the same question about Obama, http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ist-or-fascist There are plenty more posing the same question about Obama but my point is this, both sides try and claim this crap every time they do not like something about the other side.

[Kronik85]

If the most authoritarian policy you can get is him saying he'll negotiate payment from another country, he's not an authoritarian.

It wasn't. He said he will make US Troops commit war crimes.

I don't think it's beside the point, I think it explains your lack of perspective.

This strikes me as a bit of "No you!". The USA certainly doesn't set the standard of what the left and the right is, nothing wrong with my perspective if you can't see that none of your parties are actually on the left. You have a left of the right but not an actual left.

[PassingBy]

Stalin wasn't a Communist. We've never seen an actual Communist. We've had Lenism, Maoism, and Stalinism but never Communism.

In this case we've never seen a real Fascist. We've seen Mussolinism, Hitlerism, Kodryanism, Frankism etc.
As well as haven't wee seen a real Democrat, or whatever.

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It wasn't. He said he will make US Troops commit war crimes.

Since they have never ever commited a war crime before in the history of America.
And the evil Trump will make them do it.
Yeah

[mvaliz]

Trump isn't the problem. Trump is the disgusting, infected, hairy boil created by the sickness. Fascism, along with any sort of radical and often violent social change comes about when you have a lot of poor, desperate people who feel disenfranchised by their government who only feel like things are getting worse for the many. .

That's something I've said to a few of my friends as well. Every election there's always an idiot bully like Trump (hell, he failed the last two times he tried... and failed miserably). But it's the people who are responding to his idiot bullying ways and chestbeating fearmongering that scares the living bejesus out of me. He publically wipes his ass with the constitution on a daily basis, and yet people ignore that because his rhetoric validates their own personal fears and self-victimization.

[Kronik85]

The thing about Communism is that everytime someone tries it it'll work at first, then it goes horrendously bad and those who previously called it Communism say it wasn't true communism, see Venezuela.

Probably because it's impossible to implement actual Communism. Nationalising industry is the easy part, creating a classless, moneyless and ultimately stateless society is where it gets hard. No one has come remotely close to it so far which is understandable.

[Gestopft]

If the most authoritarian policy you can get is him saying he'll negotiate payment from another country, he's not an authoritarian.

His proposed weakening/violation of the first amendment are his most authoritarian ideas.

[PC2]

Stalin wasn't a Communist. We've never seen an actual Communist. We've had Lenism, Maoism, and Stalinism but never Communism.

Communism must not be appealling whatsoever if no region has actually tried it.

[mvaliz]

Since they have never ever commited a war crime before in the history of America.
And the evil Trump will make them do it.
Yeah

Considering Trump wanted to hunt down and torture family members of enemy leaders, and had to be told by his own military that was not just moraly wrong but also against geneva convention ethics - yeah, I say there's a pretty damn good bet Trump is going to encourage the lot.

Not to mention quotes like, "We're going to win so many wars, you're going to be SICK of winning!" that is an exact quote from Trump... not exactly the guy people are calming to be the one to "stop the wars" when he says crap like that too..

[Ghostpanther]

Saying that USSR under Stalin's reign was a fascist state is nothing but ignorance.
Since anticommunism was a common trait of all the fascist regimes, from the original italian fascism of Mussolini to Hitler's national-socialism, Statism in Japan, spanish Phallanx, or Ustase in Croatia (or many other "fascism" regimes).

While Stalin's USSR was never fascist, while it was indeed authoritarian. And might be considered a dictatorship.

There is no might be about if Stalin was a dictator. He had millions of his own people murdered. He had all the classic traits a dictator has. But I think he used a lot of the same tactics fascist like to use. Which is to silence those who opposed him.

There is not even a hint Trump's popularity in any way, shape or form resembles fascism.

[Kronik85]

In this case we've never seen a real Fascist. We've seen Mussolinism, Hitlerism, Kodryanism, Frankism etc.
As well as haven't wee seen a real Democrat, or whatever.

Yes we have, fascism doesn't have any clear goals like Communism does. Fascism is a pretty broad church.

Since they have never ever commited a war crime before in the history of America.
And the evil Trump will make them do it.
Yeah

Your not serious.....right? You don't see the problem with officially sanctioned war crimes?

[Spectral]

It wasn't. He said he will make US Troops commit war crimes.

Are you sure that's an authoritarian position?

This strikes me as a bit of "No you!". The USA certainly doesn't set the standard of what the left and the right is, nothing wrong with my perspective if you can't see that none of your parties are actually on the left. You have a left of the right but not an actual left.

Sure, I can see why you'd view it as "no you". I don't think this jibes with historical or world reality though - Europe is the leftmost continent by a wide margin. Judging all American politics as right-wing requires either utterly ignoring the rest of the world and history or declaring that Europe is the new objective center.

[Daymanmb]

Communism must not be appealling whatsoever if no region has actually tried it.

If only you had a point..

[Bollocks]

You dont need to be a millennial to dislike all of the candidates either? Its a symptom of their generation to try to equate 2 different people that are entirely different just to over dramatize how they disagree.

When Trump kills millions of Jews in ethnic cleansing and torches half of known civilization let me know, until then spare everyone the drama queen act.

You don't need to kill people to become a fascist goverment.

[Kronik85]

Communism must not be appealling whatsoever if no region has actually tried it.

Tried and failed.

[PassingBy]

Considering Trump wanted to hunt down and torture family members of enemy leaders, and had to be told by his own military that was not just moraly wrong but also against geneva convention ethics - yeah, I say there's a pretty damn good bet Trump is going to encourage the lot.

Not to mention quotes like, "We're going to win so many wars, you're going to be SICK of winning!" that is an exact quote from Trump... not exactly the guy people are calming to be the one to "stop the wars" when he says crap like that too..

Well the Nobel Peace prize winner was the reason for quite a few wars during his reign.
I don't see why a moron boasting about the amount of wars he is going to win can't be the guy that is going to "stop the wars".

[PC2]

His proposed weakening/violation of the first amendment are his most authoritarian ideas.

Vote libertarians into Congress, they will be sure to block any changes like that.

[Daymanmb]

Tried and failed.

Tried genuinely by who?