Alt-Races

[Techno-Druid]

Human - Half-Elf
Dwarf - Earthen
Gnome - Leper Gnome
Night Elf - Nightborne
Draenei - Broken
Gilnean Worgen - Emerald Dream Worgen

Orc - Half-Ogre
Darkspear Troll - Revantusk Troll
Tauren - Taunka
Forsaken - Skeleton (possible sexual dimorphism issue)
Blood Elf - Undead Elf
Goblin - Hobgoblin

Pandaren - Furbolg

I'm using the term alt-race because many of these wouldn't be subrace or subspecies of playable races. I excluded things that could simply be skins (mag'har, Wildhammer, etc) because those can be added as skins again without a seperate starting zone.

What do you think?

[Friendlyimmolation]

Forsaken - Skeleton (possible sexual dimorphism issue)

fun lore fact, all the skeletons in the scourge were male

[Rendark]

We don't need alt races.

[Deleted]

I like turtles.

[Raetary]

half elf?
why not more like... well... vrykul?
and why undead elf for belves?
and why not mechagnomes for gnomes?
lepper gnomes are crazy little beasts.

[darkdude103]

half elf?
why not more like... well... vrykul?
and why undead elf for belves?
and why not mechagnomes for gnomes?
lepper gnomes are crazy little beasts.

because if u play a mechagnome people will keep trying to click you to get presents

[Mace]

fun lore fact, all the skeletons in the scourge were male

I'm thinking a good candidate for the Forsaken would be the Unliving - you meet them in Karazhan .. just change their model

Use the the Forsaken model, but standing erect, and no bones or necrotic flesh showing, hair/eyes/normal. It moves the same as forsaken model, casts the same, attacks the same, it just stands upright and doesn't look decaying as if just died. It can have a slight fade. Val'kyr experiement of some sort with Sylvannas?

[Raetary]

fun lore fact, all the skeletons in the scourge were male

i wonder why tho.

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because if u play a mechagnome people will keep trying to click you to get presents

*creates mechagnome*
"why are all these people here and poking my brethren?"

[Friendlyimmolation]

I'm thinking a good candidate for the Forsaken would be the Unliving - you meet them in Karazhan .. just change their model

Use the the Forsaken model, but standing erect, and no bones or necrotic flesh showing, hair/eyes/normal. It moves the same as forsaken model, casts the same, attacks the same, it just stands upright and doesn't look decaying as if just died. It can have a slight fade. Val'kyr experiement of some sort with Sylvannas?

I honestly prefer the San layn, but to each his own

[Khaza-R]

Problem with this discussion is always a very vague concept of what sub races are suppose to be in-game?

Sub races like Broken Draenei require a completely new model and rig. Which in terms of development is the same as adding a new race. Which seems unrealistic to add 13 new races.

Sub races like Brown Orcs and Dark Iron Dwarves are just new skins

So which one is it that players want?

[RedGamer030]

Human - Half-Elf Have yet to see this suggestion.
Dwarf - Earthen Interesting.
Gnome - Leper Gnome Why not follow the Dwarf alt-race of Mechagnome? Leper Gnomes would fall apart (literally).
Night Elf - Nightborne Not High Elf? Kappa.
Draenei - Broken Of course.
Gilnean Worgen - Emerald Dream Worgen Uh... What?

Orc - Half-Ogre Why not go all the way with Ogre?
Darkspear Troll - Revantusk Troll A Troll is a Troll - no visible difference between the two.
Tauren - Taunka The Taunka are evolved Taurens in Northrend and the Yaungol are evolved Taurens in Pandaria.
Forsaken - Skeleton (possible sexual dimorphism issue) Would look a lot the same..
Blood Elf - Undead Elf So Forsaken, right?
Goblin - Hobgoblin No Hobgoblins exist in Warcraft as far as I know. The closest we have are Oafs.

Pandaren - Furbolg Not in the same lineage.

^I wrote all of my comments within the quote above.^

[Nirathiel]

I'm curious about the Emerald Dream Worgen and how they look like and how they're different from the playable Worgen. Is there any npc that i can search for on wowhead?

[Techno-Druid]

^I wrote all of my comments within the quote above.^

By Emerald Dream Worgens I mean the original worgens derived from night elves, the original worgens that became uncontrollable and were locked away in the Emerald Dream.

Also oafs and hobgoblins are two names to describe the same thing in WoW.
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Hobgoblin

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I'm curious about the Emerald Dream Worgen and how they look like and how they're different from the playable Worgen. Is there any npc that i can search for on wowhead?

By Emerald Dream worgens I mean the night elf worgen, the original worgens.

[DeicideUH]

Human - Half-Elf
Dwarf - Earthen
Gnome - Leper Gnome
Night Elf - Nightborne
Draenei - Broken
Gilnean Worgen - Emerald Dream Worgen

Orc - Half-Ogre
Darkspear Troll - Revantusk Troll
Tauren - Taunka
Forsaken - Skeleton (possible sexual dimorphism issue)
Blood Elf - Undead Elf
Goblin - Hobgoblin

Pandaren - Furbolg

I'm using the term alt-race because many of these wouldn't be subrace or subspecies of playable races. I excluded things that could simply be skins (mag'har, Wildhammer, etc) because those can be added as skins again without a seperate starting zone.

What do you think?

Personally, I'd go with High Elves as Night Elf alt-race, Nightborne as Blood Elf alt-race, and Undead Elf as Forsaken alt-race.

[Hallowseve17]

Problem with this discussion is always a very vague concept of what sub races are suppose to be in-game?

Sub races like Broken Draenei require a completely new model and rig. Which in terms of development is the same as adding a new race. Which seems unrealistic to add 13 new races.

Sub races like Brown Orcs and Dark Iron Dwarves are just new skins

So which one is it that players want?

They should give us both. It's about time Blizzard get with the program and offer more customization. We should be able to play as certain "Alternate races" and "subraces".

[RedGamer030]

By Emerald Dream Worgens I mean the original worgens derived from night elves, the original worgens that became uncontrollable and were locked away in the Emerald Dream.

They would have the same model as the current Worgens... So once again no visual differences between the two.

[Mace]

I honestly prefer the San layn, but to each his own

well they are vampires, but they're blood elves - i think it's kinda poetic to have blood suckers amongst blood elves. C'monit's kinda the first thing that comes to mind when you think of blood elves.

could have a human equilvalent on the Forsaken.

I would have loved it if we had San'layn sort of like a secret organisation within the blood elves, totally infiltrated, they hide their nefarious side and pose as normal blood elves, the plot is to rule the blood elves and they're making well on that plan then you have a story of a few who cotton on to the plot and some enthalling race to uncover this menace, funny thing is that it's led by an altruistic San'layn, there are bunch of them who kinda want to just live and let live, but this guy has them all working towards his nefarious ends, and is very very good at what he does, but they are smart also and it so happens that they cease an opportunity to rouse suspicion amongst some of the normal blood elves, and you have an exciting tale that eventually leads to the unmasking and eventual overthrow of this guy. And the rebel San'layn is treated like a hero - Belves been a bit use to undead thanks to the forsaken, and his friends also honoured and allowed to fight.

I'm sure blizz could do a better job than i've done above, but you get the jist. It's tough tho to find a non-elf sub race for forsaken - even though it is the easiest too. elves are already there as a sub-race, why not merely expand it. Forsaken elves aren't vampiric like the San'layn - so you can make the distinction, fix the darkfallen to be more San'layn vampiric, and remove that facet from them on the forsaken.

At the moment i think dark rangers fall into the darkfallen category - but they are different enough to the DK San'layn group, and when you meet Queen Lanathel in ICC, her San'layn princes and the Darkfallen - they DO NOT have the forsaken elf vibe the dark ragners have.. therefore it seems they can be separate.

I also like the idea of the Wretched being a blood elf sub-race with some updates ofc. They'll need a new model. There story would be rehabilitation post sunwell restoration. So they are blood elves with normal druggy type eyes - not glowy, so you can have blue eyes and other colours. they are more dishevelled too, can have runic tattoos to help magically control their addiction and facilitate their recovery. So their haitrstyles are rougher, example males are hairier growing fuller beards in a scruffier stubble/rough shaven or unitdy mini beard. Things like eye brow are thicker and dishevelled - not as think as night elves' but the female night elf eyebrow is an example - they are more an underground element - like rogues/thieves so ofc hunter, rogue, warrior would be. Monk would be a good idea somethign that helps with rehabilitation . Their standing posture could also vary from the normal blood elf, even though the animations would all be the same. so they'd readjust their stance while casting to the normal blood elf stance and just go back to their own once done and idle.

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They would have the same model as the current Worgens... So once again no visual differences between the two.

it's not as if that can't change, blizzard can easily change the face of night elf based worgen and give them differnt fur colours and textures.

no one will be surpirsed to be honest, we'll just view it as updated model rather than new thing. Kinda like we all accpeted the Zandalari updated model

[Not A Cat]

These sound cool, but honestly I just want playable brown orcs and swol trolls

[Kelthos]

I'm thinking a good candidate for the Forsaken would be the Unliving - you meet them in Karazhan .. just change their model

Use the the Forsaken model, but standing erect, and no bones or necrotic flesh showing, hair/eyes/normal. It moves the same as forsaken model, casts the same, attacks the same, it just stands upright and doesn't look decaying as if just died. It can have a slight fade. Val'kyr experiement of some sort with Sylvannas?

If they stood upright they would have to redo almost all of the animations because most of the Forsaken animations are done with a hunched back. Would be easier to just base them off an upright race's skeleton or something. Still, I think skeletons or undead elves (give the standard Forsaken model elf ears, access to some belf/nelf hairstyles, etc.) would be more appropriate choices.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

I think elves should be an alt-race for trolls.