BREXIT - leave or remain?

[Kontinuum]

https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsEU/sta...96341126873088

[Kallisto]

No way this would happen. Farage is a total turn off to the vast majority of the centrist floating vote.

Don't ever under estimate the crazy of the back benchers on all parties.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

A land border whose closure would be a violation of the accords if i remember correctly?

I think so, yes.

[Shadowmelded]

Farage seemingly has said remain looks to have edged it.

He's faraged it and un-conceded.

[DrMcNinja]

What a can of worms that would be, fingers crossed that's the outcome.

Wouldn't surprise me at all, and it would be a glorious moment. Scotland's revenge after being made fun of for being the only UK country that didn't qualify for the European Football Championship.

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He's faraged it and un-conceded.

[Cosmic Janitor]

if remain won with 67% of the vote, Ukip would still not go away.

I'd be more pissed that the pig fucker got away with this ludicrous gamble..

[Mace]

You can hold EU institutions to account just fine by the way. European Council and Council of the European Union at the level of national governments and however they are accountable, European Parliament in Elections and European Commission through a vote of no confidence. It has been repeated to you like 5 billion times and it still is as effective as teaching a table Japanese.

oh really? do you want to outline the process then? Go on, lets see exactly how the general population of Britain can hold the European Commission accountable.

Who gives the vote of confidence? The general population? According to who? What mechanism is in place for a general population to decide that over the Council of Euope, The European Commission or the European Council...the bodies that actually make the decision? You need to look closer if you're just assuming in your enthusiasm, members as in individuals not national population/general population can decide in a vote of no confidence. There is nothing transparent about that, the population of Britain cannot influence ANYTHING there - I understand this may be difficult for you to see, but the population can't even decide what their representative would vote. Yes, I say that, because there is no obligation for them to vote what the British public decide, they vote how they feel best and when you as an indvidual or the general population can't see how they voted, can't see how they represented you or whether they actually did - it does not fill me or anyone being reasonable with any confidence in it.

The question I keep maintaining is do you trust that level of power with someone? What level of power a body that can decide these things for your life you clearly cannot influence directly or don't even know what's going on inside?

If this isn't clear to you Mehrunes, then you're not reading what I'm saying, you've either made up your mind entirely and you just gloss over what I say, goggle at the points I make oblivious to the context they are made in and therefore missing what the words are directing you too, and repeating yourself without really seeing, hearing or realizing. That's blindness and deafness man.

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Sweden, Denmark, The UK neither use the Euro - The Lisbon treaty - You getting to discriminate against poles - All of these were losses - the first two BIG ones.

I was talking about individuals, not the nations. Don't fall into the trap that just because I'm voting out it means I hate europeans or poles etc, no, I'm talking about the establishment and the individuals that are apart of it, are betraying their nations and their people with convluated, non-transparent body, that really doesn't work and in my opinion, we can do better. All the nations involved can do better. It's not to say they will, but they can do a whole lot better.

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oh really? do you want to outline the process then? Go on, lets see exactly how the general population of Britain can hold the European Commission accountable.

Who gives the vote of confidence? The general population?

The vote of no-confidence comes from the European Parliament, who are all elected. Even the mere threat of no-confidence from Parliament is enough to sometimes dissolve an entire Commission, which has already happened in the past.

[TheTaurenOrc]

Interesting I was under the impression that things were pretty shit back 'home'. But apparently not if they decided to stick with the status quo.

Really surprised by the millennial vote if my facebook feed is any indication its seems overwhelmingly for remain. I would have thought the fear that house prices would drop by 30% would be a huge plus for them! 10 years on from university none of my class mates own property and only 2 from my secondary school do. Well those who I have kept in touch with anyhow.

[Eviscero]

0% reporting 1.5 hours after polls closed? Hand counting ballots? US voting technology has spoiled me.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Interesting I was under the impression that things were pretty shit back 'home'. But apparently not if they decided to stick with the status quo.

Really surprised by the millennial vote if my facebook feed is any indication its seems overwhelmingly for remain. I would have thought the fear that house prices would drop by 30% would be a huge plus for them! 10 years on university none of my class mates own property and only 2 from my secondary school do. Well those who I have kept in touch with anyhow.

House prices falling would go hand in hand with interest rate hikes.

[Kronik85]

That would make the GDP per capita of the UK be almost $165,000... Almost quadruple the US...

Also I am pretty sure the guy just forgot a decimal and meant to say £1.899 trillion, equivalent to roughly $2.8 trillion, which is accurate.

Yeah read the "." on wiki as a ",". My bad.

[Thes]

Looks like Gibraltar votes are in. Turnout as expected: http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Gibraltar:

[Kalis]

Close result in Gibraltar.

[Consternation]

Rumour is of 62% leave in Sunderland, if thats true would be worrying for remain

[Slant]

This grey haired idiot giving an interview, already saying Turkey's join negotiations will start next week, that the Government has rigged the polls and that they will win this war...

Who is that idiot? Is this the leading man for the Brexit stuff? He's lying outright... my god. I think it's Farage... :P

[TheTaurenOrc]

House prices falling would go hand in hand with interest rate hikes.

erhm if the last 10 years is anything to go by its the opposite. During the "great recession", as the economists call it, interest rates hit historic lows. They purposely did this to try keep the housing market afloat.

[Vivapin8]

Wouldn't surprise me at all, and it would be a glorious moment. Scotland's revenge after being made fun of for being the only UK country that didn't qualify for the European Football Championship.

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Wait wait the UK still get's more than 1 chance to play in the euro/world cup???

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This grey haired idiot giving an interview, already saying Turkey's join negotiations will start next week, that the Government has rigged the polls and that they will win this war...

Who is that idiot? Is this the leading man for the Brexit stuff? He's lying outright... my god. I think it's Farage... :P

BBC just now? Yes the frog faced one is Farage