BREXIT - leave or remain?

[Deleted]

Essentially, yes. The track record of democracy demonstrates that its principle benefit is in the generation of taxation and consent - the actual improvements to human life and the human condition have arisen owing to the implementation of more effective and rational systems of government and administration.

Then fucking remove your avatar, you are not a social democrat when you say things that are in direct conflict with it.

YOU'RE A POS LIAR.

[Thepersona]

experts: there will be a recession if brexit
uk: lol i don't believe you, votes leave
pound down 10%, stocks down 8%
everyone else: well shit

and other people saying, i told you so.. now suck it up for being that stupid

¿Qué carrera?

my career is called "ingenieria comercial" a sort of business/finance/economics school.

[apepi]

The US has a good choice and a bad choice. No need for drama queen daintiness.

Oh so I see your a Trump supporter then? :P

[Deleted]

So when will we know? Got around 500$ on Remain.

At least, it was close...

[Schmeebs]

This is truly huge news by the way, not just for my industry (and I notice a lot of finance guys in here) - but for the world

It shows that the EU is in real trouble; that Trump can become President; and that financial markets and the global economy might be on the precipice of a major crisis

Remain can still win: but this is too close for comfort

My company is ramping up efforts in the UK (we do credit card processing) so the affect of this will be interesting for those guys...

[Shadowmelded]

Imagine the fallout if it's a victory for either side under 1%.

[Flutterguy]

So a Brexit would mean it would actually be cheaper to do a trip to the UK?

[Seezer]

Oh so I see your a Trump supporter then? :P

You don't see anything clearly.

[Deleted]

My company is ramping up efforts in the UK (we do credit card processing) so the affect of this will be interesting for those guys...

Putting money from the outside into the UK will be kinda difficult if the pound continues to get pounded.

So a Brexit would mean it would actually be cheaper to do a trip to the UK?

Yes.

[Stormdash]

Essentially, yes. The track record of democracy demonstrates that its principle benefit is in the generation of taxation and consent - the actual improvements to human life and the human condition have arisen owing to the implementation of more effective and rational systems of government and administration.

Except for the industrial revolution, the harnessing of electricity, every form of rapid transportation, most significant advances in medicine, food production, and most recently telecommunication, which flourished once it was in the hands of the private sector, you nailed it. Except for everything that has ever mattered, you're spot on.

[Independent voter]

Imagine the fallout if it's a victory for either side under 1%.

Would there be a recount?

[Deleted]

Except for the industrial revolution, the harnessing of electricity, every form of rapid transportation, most significant advances in medicine, food production, and most recently telecommunication, which flourished once it was in the hands of the private sector, you nailed it. Except for everything that has ever mattered, you're spot on.

It's ridiculous that he gets to keep an avatar like that when he says things that are in direct contradiction with social democracy, social democrats respect the will of the people. He however is a dictator who doesn't.

[Deleted]

Would there be a recount?

Nah, just a lot of bitching.

Polarizing decisions can get fucking close

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austri...election,_2016

[Elegiac]

Except for the industrial revolution, the harnessing of electricity, every form of rapid transportation, most significant advances in medicine, food production, and most recently telecommunication, which flourished once it was in the hands of the private sector, you nailed it. Except for everything that has ever mattered, you're spot on.

None of which required democracy to actually, you know, happen.

And I was speaking from a governmental standpoint in any case. The Industrial Revolution did not actually create generalised prosperity until much later and after the political systems had been worked out to alleviate the problems industrialisation causes.

It's fair to say that the standard of living you equate as 'civilised' is one made possible by the existence of the modern welfare state.

[Zeta333]

But i tought that was Canada? Kappa

we gota find a way to deal with the french part of canada before we admit them entrance.

[Elegiac]

It's ridiculous that he gets to keep an avatar like that when he says things that are in direct contradiction with social democracy, social democrats respect the will of the people. He however is a dictator who doesn't.

I simply identify as 'socialist' because I'm not in favor of entirely unrepresentative governments.

[Bollocks]

RIP pound

[Deleted]

I simply identify as 'socialist' because I'm not in favor of entirely unrepresentative governments.

Remove your avatar then because that's the social democracy symbol.

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Nah, just a lot of bitching.

Polarizing decisions can get fucking close

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austri...election,_2016

The election where some places had over 100% voter turnout?

[Xisa]

The pound has dropped 10% in 5 hours. Dear God.

I am so fucking glad I don't have to go to work tomorrow.

[Dizzeeyooo]

Whilst I have no clue about this as I have not read into it, if the 'poll' is in favor of Brexit at the end with 51% - 49% then surely we would not just leave, right? They will actually do a proper job of informing the country of the issues of leaving and remaining before a decision is made? If not and a vote to leave is done by that single percent it would be very bad.

nope, we leave - happy days, curious if the pound/dollar rate will drop below 1.00