Migrant kills Swedish Social Worker in very bloody attack

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That says more about you than me.

No, because I didn't ask any question, so why link that in response?

[Felnoire]

Pedophilia isnt allowed by law in western countries, it isnt a part of life - something normal Only an idiot would ever try to compare those things. You do realize that you lost yourself now!? You are still comparing people who would you call sick if they do something like that, but since they are immigrants and its their way of life thats ok? You simply can't compare few to millions who were raised in such environment thinking havin sex with 12 year old girl is ok....

I still call them sick if they committed it regardless of their background, that's my morality and comparing like for like. Pedo to Pedo, Killer to Killer, Criminal to Criminal. They're committing a crime if they engage in those actions here, and our laws will treat them as such regardless.. Vatican City still had the legal age of consent at 12 till just recently. Though you have it a bit wrong on the Qu'ran allowing 12 year olds as it's not an exact date.. puberty has to occur in order for consent to occur. A man can also not force himself upon the woman, for both marriage and sex require the female's consent and in the case of marriage the parent's consent too typically the father. Yes this can lead to a situation where they're below our more fixed point of an age for consent depending on country, puberty typically being around 15 though some have it sooner and certain cretins try to twist the Qu'ran to be be consent is when they first menstruate rather than fully go through puberty which is much closer to the twelve marker or in cases even earlier. Not all women developing at the same rate due to their lifestyle, ballerinas are noted to go through it later than most..
I'm not saying they're right, nor that they shouldn't be prosecuted for it by our laws if they attempt the acts here. I'm saying humans in general are equivalent in the ability to commit a crime, migrant or not all have to learn the laws of the country they are in and they will abide by them or face the consequences. I don't also disagree that processing migrants needs to put alot of weight into their criminal history from the laws of the country they're going to live in's point of view. If they've legally married someone in their country at say 16 and the new countries age of consent is 18, they will not be protected by the law in my view. It's a simple thing that regardless if you're from the place or not, you obey their laws above your own.. their house as the phrase goes.

[markos82]

In USA, if that's the case, yes. That's not the case in Sweden and nobody outside a small minority would accept that here, either.

Can I get a job over a Swedish person with same experience provided that i'm fluent in Swedish?

[hydrium]

No, because I didn't ask any question, so why link that in response?

You made a purposefully inflammatory statement in regards to what I had said that would require a rebuttal, the fact that it is not in question format is irrelevant.

[Deleted]

Can I get a job over a Swedish person with same experience provided that i'm fluent in Swedish?

Yeah, you can.

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You made a purposefully inflammatory statement in regards to what I had said that would require a rebuttal, the fact that it is not in question format is irrelevant.

That's not inflammatory nor does "loaded question" fit. You said you would oppose their other policies, too. I just mentioned some of the things they've pushed through here and said that it's totally terrible that people can live decent lives without being shat on by things outside of their control.

It doesn't require a rebuttal either.

[hydrium]

Yeah, you can.

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That's not inflammatory. You said you would oppose their other policies, too. I just mentioned some of the things they've pushed through here and said that it's totally terrible.

It's inflammatory because you proposed only progressives care about those things and yes I do oppose them on those policies based solely on the fact of how they want to achieve them.

Swedens stellar education system hard at work in this thread.

[Deleted]

It's inflammatory because you proposed only progressives can care about those things and yes I do oppose them on those policies based solely on the fact of how they want to achieve them.

Yes, as we all know the conservatives in Sweden desire these things so much for people that they started dismantling the welfare state last time they were in power. Do you even Swedish politics?

[hydrium]

Yes, as we all know the conservatives in Sweden desire these things so much for people that they started dismantling the welfare state last time they were in power. Do you even Swedish politics?

I call that a good thing, having a welfare state and open borders leads to exactly the situation your country is in right now. Aren't you guys suffering a massive influx of refugees and a massive outflux of natives? Last I checked 2015 had more natives leave Sweden than any other time in the past 160 years and is set to surpass that this year again. Clearly your country is doing something right with the progressives in office.

[markos82]

I'm not saying they're right, nor that they shouldn't be prosecuted for it by our laws if they attempt the acts here. I'm saying humans in general are equivalent in the ability to commit a crime, migrant or not all have to learn the laws of the country they are in and they will abide by them or face the consequences

Again you are mixing things up. You are trying to prosecute someone who did something that's against the law in one country but ignoring the fact that that person is coming from a country that such deed is normal and allowed.

Also puberty can start from early as 8 years of age...

[Deleted]

I call that a good thing, having a welfare state and open borders leads to exactly the situation your country is in right now. Aren't you guys suffering a massive influx of refugees and a massive outflux of natives? Last I checked 2015 had more natives leave Sweden than any other time in the past 160 years and is set to surpass that this year again. Clearly your country is doing something right with the progressives in office.

There's no data on whether natives are leaving or not. So, how you can make that claim idk.

[Cannibalus]

I still call them sick if they committed it regardless of their background, that's my morality and comparing like for like. Pedo to Pedo, Killer to Killer, Criminal to Criminal. They're committing a crime if they engage in those actions here, and our laws will treat them as such regardless.. Vatican City still had the legal age of consent at 12 till just recently. Though you have it a bit wrong on the Qu'ran allowing 12 year olds as it's not an exact date.. puberty has to occur in order for consent to occur. A man can also not force himself upon the woman, for both marriage and sex require the female's consent and in the case of marriage the parent's consent too typically the father. Yes this can lead to a situation where they're below our more fixed point of an age for consent depending on country, puberty typically being around 15 though some have it sooner and certain cretins try to twist the Qu'ran to be be consent is when they first menstruate rather than fully go through puberty which is much closer to the twelve marker or in cases even earlier. Not all women developing at the same rate due to their lifestyle, ballerinas are noted to go through it later than most..
I'm not saying they're right, nor that they shouldn't be prosecuted for it by our laws if they attempt the acts here. I'm saying humans in general are equivalent in the ability to commit a crime, migrant or not all have to learn the laws of the country they are in and they will abide by them or face the consequences. I don't also disagree that processing migrants needs to put alot of weight into their criminal history from the laws of the country they're going to live in's point of view. If they've legally married someone in their country at say 16 and the new countries age of consent is 18, they will not be protected by the law in my view. It's a simple thing that regardless if you're from the place or not, you obey their laws above your own.. their house as the phrase goes.

You can dream about your unicorns all you want, the truth is the truth. Placing everyone on the same boat is being ignorant and stupid. You cannot ignore the truth, statistics and act like nothing happened. The whole of the West is acting like nothing happens with media oppression and police declaring only what they're being told. This bubble will burst and it will only fuel neo-nazi tendencies when it does. This is what happens if stuff isn't moderated/controlled/examined w/e the fuck you want to call the solution, the outcome is still crap and more people will die. Innocent people, both migrant and native.

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I call that a good thing, having a welfare state and open borders leads to exactly the situation your country is in right now. Aren't you guys suffering a massive influx of refugees and a massive outflux of natives? Last I checked 2015 had more natives leave Sweden than any other time in the past 160 years and is set to surpass that this year again. Clearly your country is doing something right with the progressives in office.

So, they were wrong with treating migrants like human beings? Maybe, maybe not. Having a welfare state isn't the core problem, having open borders is, there's a huge difference. You can't deprive people of welfare, but you can check each and everyone that steps into your country.

[Felnoire]

Well if i was born in USA I would be able to candidate for presidency I can't candidate for presidency If i wasnt born thee even if i have the citizenship. The point is, if a Swedish person kills/rapes someone in Sweden that's his own problem, if immigrant kills/rapes someone that a problem of officials that let that person in.

Actually it's still their own problem, they might never have committed a crime before nor even considered committing a crime. This crime they've committed as a migrant may very well be the only crime they've ever committed or was caught committing seeing as you need to be caught to get a criminal record. There would be nothing against their record for officials to use as a reason to bar his entry, so they would not be the ones at fault. Unlike if they actually saw on the record a ton of violent crimes and let him in anyway, dunno why someone would do that if their job is stopping that very type of people immigrating into their country. Though I could say if the crimes were when the person was a teen and they're now an OAP, perhaps they don't consider them a risk anymore. But in either case the 'problem' should still lie mainly on the person for choosing to commit a crime, though preventive measures would still suggest checking how strict the border considers a criminal record for issuing visas.
I wasn't thinking about being presidents, my country doesn't have a president anyway so I don't really consider it when thinking about what a migrant would be able to do vs me. Even though the point was about virtue as in morality, which I assume you got anyway.

[hydrium]

You can dream about your unicorns all you want, the truth is the truth. Placing everyone on the same boat is being ignorant and stupid. You cannot ignore the truth, statistics and act like nothing happened. The whole of the West is acting like nothing happens with media oppression and police declaring only what they're being told. This bubble will burst and it will only fuel neo-nazi tendencies when it does. This is what happens if stuff isn't moderated/controlled/examined w/e the fuck you want to call the solution, the outcome is still crap and more people will die. Innocent people, both migrant and native.

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So, they were wrong with treating migrants like human beings? Maybe, maybe not. Having a welfare state isn't the core problem, having open borders is, there's a huge difference. You can't deprive people of welfare, but you can check each and everyone that steps into your country.

No you can't deny welfare you can however lessen the amount of welfare. I'll never be behind safety hammocks, these programs are being abused and need reformed.

[PosPosPos]

No you can't deny welfare you can however lessen the amount of welfare. I'll never be behind safety hammocks, these programs are being abused and need reformed.

Well then, conservatives can think up of a better way to remove the need for welfare entirely, such as paying people a living wage instead of committing employees to what amounts to effective slavery for the sake of the bottom line of the top 1%.

Oh wait, they can't, because the latter's what they are aiming to do anyway.

[Cannibalus]

Actually it's still their own problem, they might never have committed a crime before nor even considered committing a crime. This crime they've committed as a migrant may very well be the only crime they've ever committed or was caught committing seeing as you need to be caught to get a criminal record. There would be nothing against their record for officials to use as a reason to bar his entry, so they would not be the ones at fault. Unlike if they actually saw on the record a ton of violent crimes and let him in anyway, dunno why someone would do that if their job is stopping that very type of people immigrating into their country. Though I could say if the crimes were when the person was a teen and they're now an OAP, perhaps they don't consider them a risk anymore. But in either case the 'problem' should still lie mainly on the person for choosing to commit a crime, though preventive measures would still suggest checking how strict the border considers a criminal record for issuing visas.
I wasn't thinking about being presidents, my country doesn't have a president anyway so I don't really consider it when thinking about what a migrant would be able to do vs me. Even though the point was about virtue as in morality, which I assume you got anyway.

When you choose to premeditate (he took the knife before she came to work) and act like a savage (probably because he hated her or women or just people telling him to do stuff like go to bed etc..), stabbing someone multiple times, it's not something that just comes into mind, you can't randomly choose to do that, it's something trained, it's a thought that's been in his mind and part of his core mental structure for some time. A more complex psychological test can show potential criminal behaviour.

Keep trying i like this

[markos82]

Actually it's still their own problem, they might never have committed a crime before nor even considered committing a crime. This crime they've committed as a migrant may very well be the only crime they've ever committed or was caught committing seeing as you need to be caught to get a criminal record. There would be nothing against their record for officials to use as a reason to bar his entry, so they would not be the ones at fault. Unlike if they actually saw on the record a ton of violent crimes and let him in anyway, dunno why someone would do that if their job is stopping that very type of people immigrating into their country. Though I could say if the crimes were when the person was a teen and they're now an OAP, perhaps they don't consider them a risk anymore. But in either case the 'problem' should still lie mainly on the person for choosing to commit a crime, though preventive measures would still suggest checking how strict the border considers a criminal record for issuing visas.
I wasn't thinking about being presidents, my country doesn't have a president anyway so I don't really consider it when thinking about what a migrant would be able to do vs me. Even though the point was about virtue as in morality, which I assume you got anyway.

Actually its not. If my country law says I can kick the living sh/t out of someone for looking me wrong and I do that on country that doesn't look too kind to that I will be guilty. If my country says that i can dig a hole, put a woman there after she was raped and unfateful and stone her to death and i do that in Sweden what am I? Im my eyes I wouldn't be guilty because I was thought my entire life that that way of life is Ok and you nor anyone else would be able to convince me otherwise. In their mind what they did isnt wrong and that is what separates us from immigrants. That's on not like speed limit in certain countries, it is their way of life, something they were surrounded for decades

[hydrium]

Well then, conservatives can think up of a better way to remove the need for welfare entirely, such as paying people a living wage instead of committing employees to what amounts to effective slavery for the sake of the bottom line of the top 1%.

Oh wait, they can't, because the latter's what they are aiming to do anyway.

Oh hey, I haven't heard this tired narrative in at least 5 minutes. Go to Venezuela if you want Socialism, I hear they are doing wonderful.

[Darsithis]

I can't believe you actually write this with a serious face.

I already admitted that my choice of words was poor a while back.

[hydrium]

I already admitted that my choice of words was poor a while back.

Did you give yourself an infraction? Naughty naughty! :P

[Felnoire]

You can dream about your unicorns all you want, the truth is the truth. Placing everyone on the same boat is being ignorant and stupid. You cannot ignore the truth, statistics and act like nothing happened. The whole of the West is acting like nothing happens with media oppression and police declaring only what they're being told. This bubble will burst and it will only fuel neo-nazi tendencies when it does. This is what happens if stuff isn't moderated/controlled/examined w/e the fuck you want to call the solution, the outcome is still crap and more people will die. Innocent people, both migrant and native.

You can dream of monsters all you want, the truth is the truth. Placing everyone in different boats is being ignorant and stupid. You cannot ignore the truth, statistics and act like something is happening. The whole of the west is acting like something happens with media oppression and police declaring only what they're being told. This bubble will remain and it only fuels neo-nazi tendencies while it does. This is what happens if stuff isn't moderated/controlled/examined or apparently reading that my solution was moderating, controlling and examining based on their actual criminal background rather than an apparent "oh he's an x they're all criminals". But the outcome will be the same if actions are not taken be they migrant or native, people will kill and innocent people will die.

Seems changing a few words was all that was needed, seeing as you didn't seem to pay attention that I don't believe in letting people into the country without checking them for their criminal history. Nor that if they're breaking a law that's not a law in their country, they'd be considered breaking it by our law if they continued to practice it. I'm all for controlling the problem, but the problem of crime is a human one and I will treat them as humans over what culture they came from. Individuals with a violent criminal history gets deported, individuals with a clean history get in, cultural differences taken into account but still weighed entirely on their criminal choices over where they happened to be born.