I do find myself totally intolerant of misogynistic killers motivated by cultural and religious barbarism, so I might have to cop to the first one. I've never felt race makes any difference for that though, I loathe them regardless of skin tone, so I can't say the second one fits.
This is fair enough. I did immediately jump to the idea that islam is responsible because I do see it used to justify a lot of hatred and violence, but there are interpretations of religions that can become largely de-clawed and more palatable to civilization. Things like honor-killing may in some cases be motivated more by cultural practices than religious teachings. I still don't think religion does any good, but it'll likely never go away completely and reforming it to be harmless is more realistic than eliminating it entirely. It's more realistic to get muslims to accept a harmless version of their religion than to get them all to stop being muslim, same with christians.
To hell with the bleeding hearts scenarios. Cases like this are good examples where the World needs to step in and collectively force these sorts of theocratic nations to stop raising their children this way, and end this sort of behavior. Oh sure it'll up the terrorist count for 30-40 years but you know what? That's alright. This is one of those generational battles worth having. If Laci Greene was actually interested in women's rights she'd be talking about this. But she's no feminist any more than African Americans are African in any sense but the name (and which Africans hate being compared to understandably).
The TLDR: This shit has gone on for 5000+ years and needs to stop. If these Countries cannot evolve or enforce a more peaceful religious outlook, that protects their citizens, then they need to be forced to do so for humanity's collective good. Radicals of any faith need to evolve or become extinct. Societies that practice barbaric things whether circumcision or this should be taken to task.
While I am circumcised, and I'm alright with it; it would of been nice to of had the choice. I feel it might of made the choice more meaningful and important to me personally, but it was one that was sadly denied to me.
Also don't construe this as hate speech. I said radical and not Muslims, because I know many true Muslims who practice their faith peacefully and in a means that this barbarism does not take root in. Some of them are the kindest people you will ever meet. Others are the filth of the earth. It's a good mix of humanity to be honest.
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I went to the Guardian link that you've been using chunks of lines from (but not properly quoting them). Why did you omit the fact that Banaz Mahmod was born in Iraq, and killed in London by her family?
Edit: That article defeated its own argument via the example you didn't mention. Should have picked examples that didn't prove the opposing view.
Asians have been living peacefully in the UK and US for decades and they integrate well. Sexual assault is a big problem for the whole world and it has nothing to do with minorities. 80% plus of reported sexual assaults are carried out by non-strangers so migrants have very little to do with the rape culture that is endemic of so many Western cultures. It's funny that you want to chalk all the horrible crimes that have been happening in your country for decades to migrants but steady you're beginning to sound like a Trump supporter. Oh wait.
"I have friends, many friends. I have friends in China, India, Russia." "I will make deals, lots of deals. I'm good at making deals. Deals, deals, deals."
What a surprise, it's a certain 'group' that did it... and it's all too common amongst them... honor killings and what not. More like small dick syndrome.
All people of such crimes should be life sentenced, or preferably the death sentence as their countries have that option too.
I'm not entirely sure one can really compare the two situations. There is - no doubts - violence against women in the West too, but the survey you have linked has a very broad definition of "violence". It includes not only things like physical assault or psychological abuse but also things like "inappropriate steering or leering that makes you feel intimidated", "somebody sending or showing you sexually explicit pictures, photos or gifts that make you feel offended", "inappropriate invitations to go out on dates" or "intrusive comments about your physical appearance that make you feel offended" - just some examples. Basically, it accounts for mobbing, harassing and gender-based discrimination too. Being set ablaze for refusing a marriage proposal is a whole different universe...
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"I have friends, many friends. I have friends in China, India, Russia." "I will make deals, lots of deals. I'm good at making deals. Deals, deals, deals."
Seems like we agree on pretty much everything else you posted, but just to comment on the bolded bit - if I'm ever in a position where I think pussy-footing around will actually help a bad situation, then I'll tread carefully, but I'm on a board that I usually visit to post video game fan-art, so I'm going to say what I think. If there's any women reading this who are actually in danger of being honor-killed, for the love of all that's good get out of your bullshit backwards hobo-culture/community/country and take everyone you can with you. If you can't leave, I'm sorry for that - please stay safe. If any honor-killers are reading this, kill yourselves - that's about the only honorable kill you could ever make.
This is not "Islamic culture", this is "Syrian culture", etc. Have you ever been to Qatar? Look at how women are treated there: same religion, also Islamic culture - but completely different attitude.
These simplified generalizations you guys make here are not very intelligent. World is a bit more complex than that.
I am not a fan of religion either. It is just that religion, as anything else, is a complex entity, it can be both a negative and a positive thing, often at the same time. I agree that aiming at getting them to accept a harmless version of Islam is probably a better idea than to try to make them Atheists or change their religion.
https://unitedhumanists.com/2016/04/...-saudi-arabia/
Come on. Are you even trying now?
"I have friends, many friends. I have friends in China, India, Russia." "I will make deals, lots of deals. I'm good at making deals. Deals, deals, deals."