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No there aren´t as shown by marriage numbers.
Problems with integration isn´t something that only happens to immigrants, that is happening to locals too. How does it make my argument void? It IS a problem with integration, not with immigrants. Examples: every integrated immigrant.
That´s not how this works. They are 0.7% more likely to commit crimes, that is really a shocking number, yes we should do something against that.
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Wait, they don´t a hive mind?
Why are you throwing in Atheism into the mix and mentioning North Korea? The leader of that country has reached the point of apotheosis and become deified, which has absolutely nothing to do with Atheism at all.
Also, while I think that the region has played a major part in forming the issues we see today, Islam is still a problem regardless. Also, how exactly have they "perverted" the religion when you just stated that it was formed around a region that historically has been very violent? You can't in one breath argue that a religion formed by an actual warlord was formed by its (violent) surroundings and then in the next breath exclaim that some practitioners have perverted the religion to become violent when there are people who practice the religion in a peaceful manner. These ideas do not go together at all.
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Well it doesn´t look like it is changing since there are quite the number of immigrants in germany for a few decades now. On what do you base the idea that it will change?
Who to the vast majority remain respectable people.
Well of course, without people there would be no crime, that still isn´t an argument against immigration, since the positive outweights the negative.
Isn´t that the outcome and not the likelyness? There are three times more immigrant than local criminals, but the likelyness of an immigrant becoming criminal is almost as low as that of a local.
Lol, I don't think you guys actually read my comment. I was talking exactly about Islam not being unique or special.
North Korean ideology, Juche, is based on political communism, which is a strongly atheist ideology. Of course, cult of personality is there; perhaps, the strongest one in human history - and yes, it does bear some resemblance to religion... But it is not religion per se.
Islam is not the problem; it is merely a tool in promoting their culture of violence. Like I said, there are many peaceful practitioners of Islam all over the world; that fact alone shows that Islam in itself is not inherently violent. I see your point though, and yes, I agree that Islam appearing in violent surroundings is likely to be built in a way that justifies that violence - however, even that is up to individual interpretation of religion. There is nothing wrong with Islam; there is something wrong with the regimes employing it as their primary religion though.
These new immigrants are even less likely to marry a german.
Well a clear distinction can´t be made since immigrants is not just one culture but a number of cultures. It´s not just muslims i´m talking about, it´s immigrants as a whole, quite a bunch of them are germans. (the numbers i gave are from austria and include every foreign nation)
Read above, that´s not the number of one culture it´s the number of immigrants. There are no sharia laws or ghettoized areas that i know of in austria. Also i don´t know of any sharia law areas in germany that actually decide on criminal acts. As it seems the far right/extreme right are gaining way more momentum than any imam in germany or austria could even dare to dream of. The largest increase in crime was in crimes with extreme right motivation. They also commit acts of terror, but of course they aren´t titled as such.
Tell me, o enlightened one, which cultures are you referring to?
This is a meaningless geographical term (particularly in this context) that was conceived in the American war room. During the height of the British Empire the region was known as the Near East.
Who are the Arabs? Where did they come from and who classifies as one?
As it is, your posts reek of that sulfuric smell of pseudointellectualism and they are making me doubt you have read a single page on the subject. If you give a satisfactory answer to the above questions I might start considering your opinions on the subject.
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Well because obviously even after years of immigration the vast majority of marriages are between people from the same culture.
Well then i have no idea what your cultural heritage talking means. There are about 170k austrians living in germany.
So how likely is it that it´s a problem with immigrants and not a problem with integration? Austria and Germany houses an equal amount of immigrants as a percentage of their population.
Well organized crime isn´t your average criminal. So i wouldn´t use that as an example of how immigrants are bad, but how failed integration leads down very dark paths. I doubt many immigrants come here to become germanies next super criminal.
We have such streets too, i can also walk there at any time of the day without fearing for anything. Naturally shops open up near their customers.
The media loves every report of violence, regardless of right, left, local or foreign. Of course within the media there are groups as well that highlight certain crimes more than others.
No i just have the numbers and argue based on them and not based on feelings. We don´t have a problem with immigrants that´s significantly bigger than the problem we have with locals. So i see no reason to treat the respectable immigrants as if they have anything to do with the black sheep that crossed the border with them.
What? I´m detached from reality because i understand there are different media outlets with different positions on the political spectrum? ok
That´s naturally occuring. There are a number of germans/austrians who don´t act upon the terrorism the extreme right commit, does that make them extreme right as well? I´m always amused by people who are demanding actions from foreigners that they themselves aren´t willing to do.
Yeah, you think those aren´t on a certain position on the political spectrum? And you call me naive? We have more than 4 national newspapers that are between center left and center right positioned.
You´re aware that these people actually need the knowledge to be able to hold that position? So they need to know that people are biased and therefor the actions of others impact their chances of their refugee status being accepted.
One question, how are refugees/immigrants impeding your personal life?
You wouldn´t call Die Welt center right?
Yeah, these people come from being uninformed, or eating up every conspiracy shit they can come across because the evil left or the evil eu are destroying everything they (no one can tell you who they mean) have built!
... all of the refugees have phones with internet connections and can just inform themselves. Yeah, ok.
Delusional leftist alert. He's right, white British are a minority in London. There are large parts of Paris and Berlin that are islamic ghettos. Britain is nowhere near as bad as Germany yet, they have areas that are self-policed by muslims. This is why it's urgent we leave the EU before the forces of islamofascism and the allies of fascism can poison the well further.
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on topic religion realy needs either an update or needs to die for good so people can move on, clinging onto past things is not helping anyone, its not like its enough already peple fighting over recources people still fight over some shit that was wrote down thousands of years ago. and im pretty sure germany wont turn arab.... people who come live here sooner or later speak german only
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it should be an honor to welcome refugees into your country makes you the hero to save their lives.
I participated yesterday in a lecture of Guy Behur - he is an expert on middle east. A lot of his predications came true while being massively critisized when he made them 10s of years early before they happened.
Regarding Germany he said that they have the lowest native fertility in the world, (passing Japan which was first place) so Merkel in order to fix this problem decided to bring refugees so they can work in the factories so that Germany economy will not shrink. It was never to "save" them.
This was extremely naive as those refugees will not really work in those factories so the economy will still shrink but worse as that population will slowly replace the German people.
Some off topic points for those who are interested:
He name Europe as Euroba, a new land formed in our times. He says that the events in Europe taking place now will be learned a thousand of years from now in history books how Europe became arab.
Regarding arabs/muslims in the middle east he said that there is no such thing as a "country". A country is a western phrase we imposed on them. They lived happily for many years in small groups like sunnies/ shia / druz /jews /yezidim ect. ect. then the west came and told them that this part of land is a country like syria or iraq. It was just a blanket because it was not one ethnic group under this blanket and the spring uprising removed this blanket and now the ethnic groups are fighting for the control of the "country". For example Iraq was sunny "country" and now its shia because of the population. Or syria where so many ethnic groups fighting each other.
He also mentioned the US. And how amazing it is they don't understand anything in this region and how each government manage to do all mistakes possible. Including fighting ISIS now.
He said that ISIS will grow even if all its forces in Iraq and Syria will be die. Because the poor population of arab and muslim world have quite shitti lives and would try them out to see if they can make a change.
He said ISIS don't need to follow "Islam" or be true to Islam or whatever because they see themselves as the new Islamic ruler- it means they can INVENT the rules just like the prophets before them did and it will be "kosher".
He said that now that the ethnic blanket is off there will be a huge war between sunnies and shia. Meaning Iran vs. Saudi. Millions will die.
He claim that the main reason for ISIS, Al queda ect. uprising is shia. 84% of muslims are sunnies and so far sunnies were "above" shia in terms of power. Mostly because US and SA had a pact - SA give oil, and USA give protection. Now that the US don't need oil (becoming largest oil export) and even worse gave power to Iran, the shia is now "on top" and these groups want to regain their sunni control over shia.
He also said no one really cares about Israel now in the middle east. Only western eyes see Israel as the "middle east" while in truth its insignificant both in lands, in population and in its effect on the region.
Well if you judge thousands of people based solely on personal experience and opinion based on the world around you then that´s fair, just don´t present it in a way that looks like you actually know what´s going on in refugee camps, unless you are working or being at one regularly. Though even then you wouldn´t be able to talk about all refugees but the ones in that certain camp.