How does one even defeat ISIS

[Zyky]

You honestly cant. Its an ideology.

inb4 genocide. (which a lot of people on here actually find to be an actual solution)

I don't condone genocide, but its the only way to defeat an ideology.

[Wulfey]

The Iraqi army is making slow progress. The answer is sustained effort and the building of fair and just societies. Those are hard answers. The barbarians of history always had it easier than the forces of civilization, but thus far, the forces of civilization have always won in the end.

[Stacyrect]

Comments like these go to show what a colossal lack of understanding you have regarding their mindset if you think doing what you suggested would make a difference. Ignoring the fact that doing what you suggested doesn't deny them the supposed virgins, it isn't even about Islam, but the ringleaders using it as a convenient tool to brainwash and gain access to an easy army.

So what your suggesting is that we freeze the pork chops before we bomb them with them?

[unbound]

Its seem extremely hard to me

If ISIS use Guerilla tactics, how can any military power defeat them? Any of your citizen could be a Terrorist, and they infiltrate you all the time, and you can't kill many in an effective manner because they are all spread out. This is my major concern. Will we ever be able to defeat ISIS? Or will Mass rebellions and Guerilla tactics win like in Star wars?

Military power doesn't defeat a group like ISIS. Military power can (and will) push them out of control of land, but it takes something entirely different to defeat a group like ISIS.

You have to recognize where groups like ISIS come from. It from a group that feels like they've gotten a raw deal and don't have any ability to get even a reasonable compromise for themselves.

For ISIS in particular, here is a great 6 minute video describing how they came to power (starting all the way back in 1979):



Even before 1979, the US caused a lot of problems in the Middle East (including supporting Israel as well as Saddam Hussein and Ayatollah Khomeini), which is part of the long-running hate for the West since we've been interfering in their affairs for many decades now (pretty much just because of the oil in reality).

For some groups, just being reasonable would cut out most of the problems (e.g. if Israel would stop trying to settle Palestinian lands, most, but not all, of those conflicts would go away). For truly extreme groups such as ISIS, it takes a long time of education of the public so that they understand a) the horrors of what ISIS does to innocents and b) alternatives that can be worked with in civilized society.

For b to work, however, it does take conscience effort to truly integrate and support those people into our society. If you look at the individual terrorists in Paris and other attacks in Europe, you find individuals that were shunned from their society and not really supported. It really isn't surprising that those individuals turn to actual extremism as a result...basically, the society that shunned them because of their fears created the very thing they were afraid of.

[Garnier Fructis]

So what your suggesting is that we freeze the pork chops before we bomb them with them?

The whole idea that undesired exposure to pig stuff denies them whatever in heaven assumes that the Abrahamic God is a total retard.

[Quien Soy Yo]

Military power doesn't defeat a group like ISIS. Military power can (and will) push them out of control of land, but it takes something entirely different to defeat a group like ISIS.

You have to recognize where groups like ISIS come from. It from a group that feels like they've gotten a raw deal and don't have any ability to get even a reasonable compromise for themselves.

For ISIS in particular, here is a great 6 minute video describing how they came to power (starting all the way back in 1979):



Even before 1979, the US caused a lot of problems in the Middle East (including supporting Israel as well as Saddam Hussein and Ayatollah Khomeini), which is part of the long-running hate for the West since we've been interfering in their affairs for many decades now (pretty much just because of the oil in reality).

For some groups, just being reasonable would cut out most of the problems (e.g. if Israel would stop trying to settle Palestinian lands, most, but not all, of those conflicts would go away). For truly extreme groups such as ISIS, it takes a long time of education of the public so that they understand a) the horrors of what ISIS does to innocents and b) alternatives that can be worked with in civilized society.

For b to work, however, it does take conscience effort to truly integrate and support those people into our society. If you look at the individual terrorists in Paris and other attacks in Europe, you find individuals that were shunned from their society and not really supported. It really isn't surprising that those individuals turn to actual extremism as a result...basically, the society that shunned them because of their fears created the very thing they were afraid of.

Those Arabic captions at 0:36 though...

How difficult is it to just use google translate or something?

[Stacyrect]

The whole idea that undesired exposure to pig stuff denies them whatever in heaven assumes that the Abrahamic God is a total retard.

I assume that it is, full retard in fact, and will continue to assume so until someone can prove that it isn't. It's about capitalizing on the same belief system that suggets all your sins will be forgiven if you kill non muslims. Back in 2003-04ish time Israel started putting bags of pig lard on their bus's after an escalation of suicide attacks targeting bus's. While it didn't deter suicide bombings per say, it did stop people from targeting the bus's after the announcement was made.

[Bosen]

How does one go about stopping not being an Islamist?

That's humorous,but I think their reasons for anger at that level are more complicated than merely hating everyone that aren't like them.

The USA is an empire,and has meddled in the affairs of Middle Eastern countries in the most offensive of ways. I think peaceful trade and meaningful gestures of peace would potentially cause a shift in behavior towards the world community,rather than hostile take over in the region. I know this is a bit of over generalization in the last part,because the Middle East is such a complex place,but I hope people here understand the gist of what I'm saying.