Well, it's happening, Trump is starting to lose bad in the polls..

[Alydael]

Are you really trying to claim that there is a possibility you would vote for Clinton? If so tell us the things that would make you vote for her. If not why are you playing games?

I don't hate anyone. I am all about love. And it's that love, love for this country that prevents me from sitting back while a narcissistic demagogic bigot runs for president and not say anything.

Oh please, anyone who even says anything that can be remotely construed as positive about Trump and you attack them relentlessly. You were even using your avatar picture to mock him (several different times). I would say it borders on obsession.

As for what would me make vote for Hillary? I don't know. I don't know who I am voting for yet. There is so much yet to be decided, I will watch as it unfolds. At some point, probably in late October- I will make a choice. I can't say what the deciding factor will be because I can't see the future.

[Pangean]

Oh please, anyone who even says anything that can be remotely construed as positive about Trump and you attack them relentlessly. You were even using your avatar picture to mock him (several different times). I would say it borders on obsession.

As for what would me make vote for Hillary? I don't know. I don't know who I am voting for yet. There is so much yet to be decided, I will watch as it unfolds. At some point, probably in late October- I will make a choice. I can't say what the deciding factor will be because I can't see the future.

You can't say a single thing you would vote for Hillary for right now? Lol you are just playing a game to claim you were even considering her. As predicted.

Oh and never fear the Trump avatars will be back as soon as today. My love for this country has no end.

[Alydael]

You can't say a single thing you would vote for Hillary for right now? Lol you are just playing a game to claim you were even considering her. As predicted.

Oh and never fear the Trump avatars will be back as soon as today. My love for this country has no end.

If I was forced to vote right now, I would not vote Hillary. She hasn't shown me anything that would win my vote. That doesn't mean she can't win my vote before the election, she just hasn't done it yet.

I don't see how you equate Hillary with love for your country..... but to each their own

[Pangean]

If I was forced to vote right now, I would not vote Hillary. She hasn't shown me anything that would win my vote. That doesn't mean she can't win my vote before the election, she just hasn't done it yet.

I don't see how you equate Hillary with love for your country..... but to each their own

Lol she won't win your vote. You are playing a game.

And I don't equate love of country with Hillary at all. In fact I am not voting for her. You simply struggle with understanding what was written. Here it is again: "And it's that love, love for this country that prevents me from sitting back while a narcissistic demagogic bigot runs for president and not say anything."

[Alydael]

Lol she won't win your vote. You are playing a game.

And I don't equate love of country with Hillary at all. In fact I am not voting for her. You simply struggle with understanding what was written. Here it is again: "And it's that love, love for this country that prevents me from sitting back while a narcissistic demagogic bigot runs for president and not say anything."

If you call sitting back patiently and giving the candidates a chance to win your vote instead of rushing to judgement playing a game, then I guess I am a player. Will Hillary win my vote? That is entirely up to her and her platform. I am not sold on either candidate at the moment. I don't tow the line for either party so none of the rhetoric or buzzwords impresses me.

[Pangean]

If you call sitting back patiently and giving the candidates a chance to win your vote instead of rushing to judgement playing a game, then I guess I am a player. Will Hillary win my vote? That is entirely up to her and her platform. I am not sold on either candidate at the moment. I don't tow the line for either party so none of the rhetoric or buzzwords impresses me.

Lol you do know people can go back and read your previous posts right? You will never vote for her and you are playing a game.

[Alydael]

Lol you do know people can go back and read your previous posts right? You will never vote for her and you are playing a game.

You can read all my posts. Just because I criticized her over Benghazi and other matters doesn't mean I support Trump. You attack Trump like a mad man and even you said a few posts ago that you were not voting for her. Just because you criticize one candidate doesn't mean you like the other candidate either....

[Pangean]

You can read all my posts. Just because I criticized her over Benghazi and other matters doesn't mean I support Trump. You attack Trump like a mad man and even you said a few posts ago that you were not voting for her. Just because you criticize one candidate doesn't mean you like the other candidate either....

Yeah and I am saying you claiming that you are going to think about voting for Clinton is the same as me saying I would think about voting for Trump. I never said you were going to vote for Trump. I have been saying all along you wont be voting for Hillary and it's a game of yours to claim you are thinking about it. If you still don't understand this let me know.

[Alydael]

Yeah and I am saying you claiming that you are going to think about voting for Clinton is the same as me saying I would think about voting for Trump. I never said you were going to vote for Trump. I have been saying all along you wont be voting for Hillary and it's a game of yours to claim you are thinking about it. If you still don't understand this let me know.

I know exactly what you are saying, I am just saying you are wrong.

All either candidate has to do to win my vote is to show me that they will improve America.

My take so far:

Trump:

Has some ideas I like, but I question his ability to implement them. Has some really bad ideas that make me doubt him

Hillary:

More of the same we have had for eight years and I don't believe that the last eight years have improved this country overall. Has yet to show me anything to make me believe that she is not the same old Hillary that racked up all the scandals. Has been in some sort of public office for decades with not much to show for it really.

So either candidate can still win my vote. They just have to prove to me that they have a good plan (that they can implement) that will improve this country.

[Pangean]

I know exactly what you are saying, I am just saying you are wrong.

All either candidate has to do to win my vote is to show me that they will improve America.

My take so far:

Trump:

Has some ideas I like, but I question his ability to implement them. Has some really bad ideas that make me doubt him

Hillary:

More of the same we have had for eight years and I don't believe that the last eight years have improved this country overall. Has yet to show me anything to make me believe that she is not the same old Hillary that racked up all the scandals. Has been in some sort of public office for decades with not much to show for it really.

So either candidate can still win my vote. They just have to prove to me that they have a good plan (that they can implement) that will improve this country.

Well you haven't demonstrated that so far.

Nope you still won't vote for her.

And here's a hint for you. There are other candidates than these two.

[Ausr]

Christie or Newt for VP picks. Yep... that sure is the cream of the crop.

[Pangean]

Christie or Newt for VP picks. Yep... that sure is the cream of the crop.

Seriously what politician with ambition would tie themselves to this wreck? All you have left are the grifters and down and outs. I am hoping for Gingrich though. He is such a target rich opportunity.

[Edge-]

Seriously what politician with ambition would tie themselves to this wreck? All you have left are the grifters and down and outs. I am hoping for Gingrich though. He is such a target rich opportunity.

I'm holding on for the long odds on Palin. Can you imagine how entertaining events/interviews that both participate in will be?

[Bollocks]

Christie or Newt for VP picks. Yep... that sure is the cream of the crop.

I already bet money on Newt in PredictIT. Lost all my winnings from "Bernie won't be the nominee" on "Britain won't vote Brexit" (C'est la vie.) so I gotta recover it now, don't dissapoint Newt.

[Pangean]

I'm holding on for the long odds on Palin. Can you imagine how entertaining events/interviews that both participate in will be?

I don't know about that. I am usually on side with you on this sort of stuff but after actually seeing this I going to have to disagree.

[Ausr]

Seriously what politician with ambition would tie themselves to this wreck? All you have left are the grifters and down and outs. I am hoping for Gingrich though. He is such a target rich opportunity.

One is a do-nothing scandal plagued governor with a shit approval rating with a shout first, think later attitude and the other is Newt and well, just his name explains it all.

Like, how are these 2 the ones that come out on top? Fuck, at least Clinton is strategising her picks. Ohio, Virginia ex-govs/sens with good reputations(Forget their names, too lazy to look up) and Warren.

[Pangean]

I already bet money on Newt in PredictIT. Lost all my winnings from "Bernie won't be the nominee" on "Britain won't vote Brexit" (C'est la vie.) so I gotta recover it now, don't dissapoint Newt.

The problem with Newt is going to be his antics in and out of congress. Now Trump's vetting is horrible but I would think someone will say hold on there, this ain't our guy. And then be promptly overruled by Trump.

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One is a do-nothing scandal plagued governor with a shit approval rating with a shout first, think later attitude and the other is Newt and well, just his name explains it all.

Like, how are these 2 the ones that come out on top? Fuck, at least Clinton is strategising her picks. Ohio, Virginia ex-govs/sens with good reputations(Forget their names, too lazy to look up) and Warren.

Trump loves suck-up's and these two's noses are a deep shade of brown.

[alexw]

One is a do-nothing scandal plagued governor with a shit approval rating with a shout first, think later attitude and the other is Newt and well, just his name explains it all.

Like, how are these 2 the ones that come out on top? Fuck, at least Clinton is strategising her picks. Ohio, Virginia ex-govs/sens with good reputations(Forget their names, too lazy to look up) and Warren.

Because noone else wants to do it. They all know that in terms of their political careers, joining a Trump ticket is like chaining oneself to a suicide bomber. So the only ones who are willing to join Trump are those who don't have a political career to destroy. So people like Grinch and Christie. But that would only make the november loss to Clinton even larger.

[Orbitus]

You can read all my posts. Just because I criticized her over Benghazi and other matters doesn't mean I support Trump. You attack Trump like a mad man and even you said a few posts ago that you were not voting for her. Just because you criticize one candidate doesn't mean you like the other candidate either....

Trump deserves EVERY attack that he gets. Openly being a xenophobic, racist, constitution breaking bigot is not something people should be proud voting for. There are plenty of people on here that are proud that they can show their true colors because their candidate is openly stating what he is.

[Alydael]

Trump deserves EVERY attack that he gets. Openly being a xenophobic, racist, constitution breaking bigot is not something people should be proud voting for. There are plenty of people on here that are proud that they can show their true colors because their candidate is openly stating what he is.

I don't consider calling for a responsible border policy racist or xenophobic when: there are drug cartels in Mexico right on the other side of the border that engage in : executions (even of public figures), mass murder (believe they executed over 47 people at once in a mass execution just last year), human and sex trafficking) and terrorist organizations around the world trying to sneak operatives in to execute acts of terror.

Even aside from that: I believe you should know who is coming into your country and what there plans are.

I find this whole discussion hilarious because when I went to Mexico they hassled me to death at the border going in. How long are you staying? Do you intend to work here? etc. etc. No one even mentions that, but if we were to do the same to people coming into our country we are somehow racist.....

Not even mentioning that there is a years long waiting list of people trying to immigrate legally. They obeyed our law and are patiently waiting to do things the right way... should they be showed to the side because they are not the liberal cause du jour?

The whole reason Trump is popular at all is that people aren't falling for these tricks of rhetoric anymore. You could put one over on people in the past, take quotes out of context, etc. Now everything is online so people know what is actually happening and they aren't falling for it anymore (well at least most aren't).