While I am annoyed by PC gone mad at times, in this case the move by the administration seems more diplomatic than is to be PC. Avoiding fanning the flames so to speak than be sounding the alarm. I believe most people understand this has ideology behind it regardless if they avoid labeling it. My opinion anyways.
pretty sure @lockedout said it all.
ISIS does not need our government to further its propaganda. Its doing a fine job on social media itself. All these terrorist attacks are not going to stop because your hiding the voice of the terrorists. Its going to stop when you stop the terrorists. They seem to think if we stop offending them they will stop killing us. They dont want to stop killing us, their mission is to convert and destroy. Either your with them or against them.
and you are claiming you aren't ignoring reality you just did
he called 911 and said he was doing this in the name of ISIS and ISIS has a standing order to all Muslims to commit acts of terror when ever and where ever they can
I guess I get to claim the Planed Parenthood terrorist attack wasn't done in the name of Christianity even after he admitted doing so based on his belief
It's pretty clear when you read it all. He went to Pulse regularly. He had hookups and talked to guys on apps. He admitted to his wife he was having trouble with his sexuality, AND he was a struggling to reconcile it all with his faith. He was clearly unbalanced.
I could go shoot someone and shout "FOR ISIS!"
Does that make me a terrorist? Does that make me part of ISIS? No. He wasn't. He didn't do what he did for ISIS. He didn't do what he did to further their goals. This wasn't a crime meant to stir fear, this was a "I'm gay and I hate myself" crime, something we've seen many examples of throughout history. It's just the new treat to dress it up on the shoulders of Muslims.
Christianity isn't a terrorist organization and some moron bombing a Planned Parenthood can claim any allegiance they want, but it doesn't make their crime part of that faith. Nor does this guy. ISIS didn't do this. He did this for reasons completely unrelated to extremism.
Jut because we hand out Citizenship to anyone who gets popped out at the 11th hour doesn't mean they view Americas as their country. The folks down south who cross the border in a less than legal fashion and then ride around with a non-american flags in their cars or in their home's windows prove that
like a said you rather ignore reality ignore the truth so not to offend it is PC gone amuck
you denying he called 911 and gave his alliance to ISIS are you denying ISIS doesn't have a standing order to all Muslims to strike when ever and where ever they can
they just needed to before the attack to announce there alliance and they would be considered martyrs
That's true, he could have intended to support ISIS. Only he could tell us, but he's dead. From the evidence, though, it looks like he used the buzzword "ISIS" for notoriety, not for motivation. His motivation appears to have been his sexuality.
Please stop putting words in my mouth. At no point did I say he didn't invoke the name of ISIS.
So imagine the shooter was just mentally ill.
Ok.
Now imagine the same type of "mentally ill" people keep murdering people en mass.
Now what? You don't want to blame the religious extremism such people create. Ok.
See, what I can't understand is why it's almost as if certain people are attempting to de-emphasize the crimes of these Islamic extremists. Why? They will come for them too, sooner or later.
This is suicidal.
Men like him create this kind of extremism. You don't want to blame the religion, but isn't Islamic extremism a huge problem? Or are you going to tell me that ISIS are all self-hating gays too?
All religions have extremists. It just seems like Islam has far more extremists than others. Or rather, extremists claiming to be Muslim are murdering people en mass.
I find the fact that you are de-emphasizing the chosen religion of this shooter to be a betrayal of public trust. It's that empathy gap again.
But hey, vote for Hillary so she can make it harder for law-abiding citizens to buy guns.
Suicide.
I wouldn't agree with the reasoning here even if I believed it or thought it would be effectual to their goals.
I am the lucid dream
Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh
Massacring dozens of people in a club because you hate gays is enough to gain notoriety. Claiming to do it in the name of ISIS seems a bit odd, as you are partially turning the attention away from yourself and onto another organisation, thereby "sharing the credit" (for want of a better phrase).
Problem is, he would have been less likely to hate himself if he didn't belong to a religion that teaches how being gay makes you immoral/defective. It may not have been ISIS's fault, but there's no way you can disassociate what he did from the same underlying ideology that they use.
I think he declared an allegiance to IS to make sure his name stayed in the news, because if it was "just another mass shooting" it would have disappeared from the news stations by noon the next day. This way every news station is broadcasting his face and name and talking about him. I really doubt he had any connection to IS other than he was a Muslim who hated gays and IS is a group of Muslims who hate gays.
He was a narcissist closet homosexual who hated himself for being that way, and he took that anger out on a group of innocent people.
Last edited by Butler to Baby Sloths; 2016-06-19 at 10:27 PM.