Guess Jaina's still a fem-varian then.

[Magnagarde]

I don't get why it is hard to understand why her character jumps back and forth because the entire lore that is surrounding her character is one big back and forth. She loves Arthas, shes loses Arthas. She loves her father, she betrays her father to forge peace. Theramore gets bombed despite the previous sacrifice she made, she gets mad, she eventually forgives because she tries to stay true to her initial intentions. After she forgives, she gets abandoned by the Horde on the Broken Shore.

Its like when you forgive someone something they do to you, only to see them do something similar to you again. It is obvious you won't want to have anything to do with the person that lost your trust twice.

In conclusion - the character is having proper development, but the plot that she had been subjected to and is still being subjected too forces a back and forth character development. The character development totally fits the plot she's been subjected to. The plot deserves ranting.

[Traveler Voltin]

her reaction in the broken shore event is natural. you all are looking at it in an omniscient point of view, but in the eyes of jaina and the alliance it looked like the horde left them to die, she didn't know the horde's circumstances all she saw was the horde retreating while they are stuck fighting the majority of the legion's forces, and with her previous history with the hordie with the theramore, and divine bell the first thing she'd think of is betrayal.

just jaina, genn, and extreme alliance fan boys.
the rest of the leaders arent bothered. the probably understood

[Magnagarde]

Every single one of us understands it because we know what essentially happened. A character however isn't omnipresent and doesn't know IC what we have knowledge of OOC. This is why their actions are sometimes out of touch with the truth.

An example would be our characters that can't know in character what is going on in Ironforge, while we as players who are observing it all would know everything about it out of character.

Why the other Alliance leaders aren't bothered with what the Horde did at the Broken Shore is something you have to take out with the Blizzard scriptwriters. Why Jaina and Genn are more compulsive about it is already obvious to everyone without much explanation required(ie it is because of their past experience with various Horde races).

[FelPlague]

Every single one of us understands it because we know what essentially happened. A character however isn't omnipresent and doesn't know IC what we have knowledge of OOC. This is why their actions are sometimes out of touch with the truth.

An example would be our characters that can't know in character what is going on in Ironforge, while we as players who are observing it all would know everything about it out of character.

Why the other Alliance leaders aren't bothered with what the Horde did at the Broken Shore is something you have to take out with the Blizzard scriptwriters. Why Jaina and Genn are more compulsive about it is already obvious to everyone without much explanation required(ie it is because of their past experience with various Horde races).

what the horde seems to have done is retreat, where the others see it as "they did the best they could they had to" genn and jaina who have had horrible pasts with the horde see it as "they left us to die"

[Magnagarde]

what the horde seems to have done is retreat, where the others see it as "they did the best they could they had to" genn and jaina who have had horrible pasts with the horde see it as "they left us to die"

Yes, thats the point of the story that makes the plot a lot more interesting.

Genn and Jaina didn't know at first that Sylvannas ordered a retreat and that she didn't plan to have them all killed off by the Legion. Even if she explains it to them, they won't believe her due to their past experiences with the Horde.

Genn and Jaina are essentially wrong about Sylvannas' intentions at the Broken Shore, but their characters and the entire story surrounding them doesn't allow them to see past that.

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

Horde kills everybody she knows, and she's somehow supposed to forgive forget and work with the horde again. OMG! Jaina is such a poorly written character, how come she isn't BFF with the people that blew up her entire town???

You people...

[Magnagarde]

Blizzard should just turn every important character into a Naaru, so nobody will hate on any of them. You can't please everyone otherwise.

[FelPlague]

Yes, thats the point of the story that makes the plot a lot more interesting.

Genn and Jaina didn't know at first that Sylvannas ordered a retreat and that she didn't plan to have them all killed off by the Legion. Even if she explains it to them, they won't believe her due to their past experiences with the Horde.

Genn and Jaina are essentially wrong about Sylvannas' intentions at the Broken Shore, but their characters and the entire story surrounding them doesn't allow them to see past that.

exactly, its a interesting plot point, but people are still shitting on it for "just useless made up shit to keep the pvp going"

even though we have a whole zone and a half, aswell as many quests and story arches going over "what is sylvanas doing, is it good, is it bad, whos fault is it, who is the badguy here"

sylvanas is making a deald with helena, a super duper badguy, what is she doing is she turning evil? or is she tricking helena? if she trying to kill us all? or save us all? heck maybe she even wants to revive varien, as both suffered a ton by arthas, and both helped take him down, and maybe she feels bad for him, a death knight leading the allaince... fucking god that would be so fucking badass...

[KrazyK923]

*sigh*

Nobody knew what the Horde did. None of the Alliance leaders.

None of them even tell Jaina her version of events is incorrect. They just tell her that they can't afford to also fight with the Horde while the Legion is invading.

I'm not sure why its so hard for most people to understand we are omniscient as the players whereas the characters are not. Most people are, for some reason, pretending the Alliance should have known what was going on on the ridge above them where they couldn't see anything, as if they even had time to look since they were, you know, fighting all the demons Gul'dan summoned.

[MechaCThun]

SPOILERS: Jaina is possessed by the spirit of Sargeras and she gets decapitated by Thrall.

SPOILERS: Jaina takes up an ancient mage artifact of immense power to combat the Legion, and through the artifact's whispers she becomes the very thing she swore to fight. She then single handedly kills Kil'jaeden, but returns home and ends up killing Anduin.

SPOILERS: Jaina is now banished to AU Draenor where she rallies the remaining orcs of the Iron Horde, establishes herself as Lord of Draenor, and boastfully proclaims that the heroes of Azeroth are not ready to enter her realm.

[Kallisto]

*sigh*

Nobody knew what the Horde did. None of the Alliance leaders.

None of them even tell Jaina her version of events is incorrect. They just tell her that they can't afford to also fight with the Horde while the Legion is invading.

I'm not sure why its so hard for most people to understand we are omniscient as the players whereas the characters are not. Most people are, for some reason, pretending the Alliance should have known what was going on on the ridge above them where they couldn't see anything, as if they even had time to look since they were, you know, fighting all the demons Gul'dan summoned.

The hard part is that the horde are in hearing range of the alliance and other way around. Alliance could if they had ears hear what is going on at the horde part. This isn't omniscience this is using fucking logic. Which clearly you have none of.

Answer the question. You and someone else are in a battle against something that is in both your interests to defeat. This something overwhelms the other group, they are forced to retreat. Now there is no way it is in their interests to watch you just up and die. Also you can hear everything that is going on up there. What conclusion do you come to if you see them retreating?

[KrazyK923]

The hard part is that the horde are in hearing range of the alliance and other way around. Alliance could if they had ears hear what is going on at the horde part. This isn't omniscience this is using fucking logic. Which clearly you have none of.

Yes clearly the Alliance should have been intently listening to the Horde while the army of demons descends upon them.

Also notice that the Alliance players never hear Sylvanas' command to retreat in the game. Despite them being able to hear most everything else she yells.

So you're wrong. Thanks for trying.

Your question is based on faulty logic so there's no point in answering a question that's wrong from the getgo.

Have fun continuing to scream about something you're factually wrong about.

[Lady Dragonheart]

This is the tragic result of having multiple writers dictate a character's personality. You see it in so many of Blizzard's characters that's it's frustrating at times.

[Highwhale]

The hard part is that the horde are in hearing range of the alliance and other way around. Alliance could if they had ears hear what is going on at the horde part. This isn't omniscience this is using fucking logic. Which clearly you have none of.

Are you fucking stupid or try hard Horde fanboy? Alliance have shitloads of demons who wanna kill them right now and right here. Do you really think they have time to trying to hear what Sylvanas yells? Besides like it was said as Alliance player you DONT hear Sylvanas order and other shit.

And if Horde retreat they MUST first cover Alliance's retreat and only then leave battle. Because Alliance was at front and taking major BL hits. And like Sylvanas said - we will cover you from the bridge. She and Horde failed. Like always.

Infracted

[Tripzzz]

Horde got curbstomped by a bunch of fodder demons. The Alliance should not bother putting any faith in Horde troops.

[Highwhale]

Horde got curbstomped by a bunch of fodder demons. The Alliance should not bother putting any faith in Horde troops.

Exactly! Horde was fighting some trash and still Baine and Vil'Jin get hurt. When Alliance fought Gul'Dan forces and don't lose big numbers. Allying with Horde was mistake - they are too weak. After Broken Shore those orcs/tauren/trolls looks scarred and start worship Sylvanas. ROFL. Goodbye old Horde.

[Darth-Piekus]

I don't suppose someone could post the Horde dialogues in the Broken Shore Scenario?

[Mehrunes]

Yes clearly the Alliance should have been intently listening to the Horde while the army of demons descends upon them.

Are you fucking stupid or try hard Horde fanboy? Alliance have shitloads of demons who wanna kill them right now and right here. Do you really think they have time to trying to hear what Sylvanas yells? Besides like it was said as Alliance player you DONT hear Sylvanas order and other shit.

Gee, it's almost as if Warcraft was a medievalesque setting where orders and information during a battle were carried by voice. Expecting Alliance to not suck at basics of warfare, what a travesty indeed.

And if Horde retreat they MUST first cover Alliance's retreat and only then leave battle. Because Alliance was at front and taking major BL hits. And like Sylvanas said - we will cover you from the bridge. She and Horde failed. Like always.

Because the Alliance totally succeeded at their task there. That's why they needed to retreat too.

Horde got curbstomped by a bunch of fodder demons. The Alliance should not bother putting any faith in Horde troops.

Exactly! Horde was fighting some trash and still Baine and Vil'Jin get hurt. When Alliance fought Gul'Dan forces and don't lose big numbers. Allying with Horde was mistake - they are too weak. After Broken Shore those orcs/tauren/trolls looks scarred and start worship Sylvanas. ROFL. Goodbye old Horde.

Completely comparable numbers right there. Lore also totally has the concept of trash mobs. And lol at the Alliance not losing big numbers. That's the main reason for them crying about Sylvanas making a logical choice, because it led to death of many Alliance soldiers. Varian included.

[Highwhale]

Gee, it's almost as if Warcraft was a medievalesque setting where orders and information during a battle were carried by voice. Expecting Alliance to not suck at basics of warfare, what a travesty indeed.

Nice try but it was pathetic. Your logic is dumb as kobold.

Because the Alliance totally succeeded at their task there. That's why they needed to retreat too.

Who said what Alliance would need retreat if Horde keep their word and stop failing?

Completely comparable numbers right there. Lore also totally has the concept of trash mobs. And lol at the Alliance not losing big numbers. That's the main reason for them crying about Sylvanas making a logical choice, because it led to death of many Alliance soldiers. Varian included.

We talking about events before cinematic. Alliance hold high while weak hordie get injured cow and half dead troll.

[Littlepwny]

Gee, it's almost as if Warcraft was a medievalesque setting where orders and information during a battle were carried by voice. Expecting Alliance to not suck at basics of warfare, what a travesty indeed.

No actually. Communication was done via flag signals and engagement had a very long duration. Additionally, because communication was almost impossible during battles, the officers were given instruction but they had a great deal of discretion on how to actually carry out the orders.

And no, no King was shouting through his lungs to give orders.