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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarim View Post
    Well several actually - mostly disclosure agreements, failures in compliance, insider trading and just simple financial engineering

    Everyone sort of knew it back then - it's just that no one really cared, it was easy money, and in business easy money is the best money
    So, you think the bogus ratings of these securities wasn't the real crime? You are eluding to the fact that certain legal courses of business should be prosecuted, even when there is no violation of law. You come off as simply being angry they made risky decisions that impacted the economy. That isn't the same thing as committing a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tijuana View Post
    Yes but, your entire premise is ridiculous. I assume what you are getting at, is that the candidate that raises the most money wins the election. That, on paper appears to be the case as it so often happens that way. But, consider the fact that the money flows to the likely winner. If you give 2m to Trump, and he loses, you don't get shit in return. But, when you look at candidates that tried to buy their election, without public support, they get creamed. I mean, do you fall for political ads? I know I certainly don't. Why do we assume everyone else falls for them then?
    Not really sure where you going with this, I just think the entire premise of allowing big corps(indirect or not) to donate to a political party to be ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bollocks View Post
    I never understood why being pro-buisnesses is a bad thing.
    Because it fucks over the poor, most of the time?

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    they know a worthy investment when they see one /wink

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurinaux View Post
    Government should work with business. That's an unavoidable reality. Receiving business endorsements does not exclusively mean corruption...
    If you don't want people to be skeptic, don't let your party accept big corp donations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tijuana View Post
    So, you think the bogus ratings of these securities wasn't the real crime? You are eluding to the fact that certain legal courses of business should be prosecuted, even when there is no violation of law. You come off as simply being angry they made risky decisions that impacted the economy. That isn't the same thing as committing a crime.
    There was plenty of crimes committed all of them got love taps in terms of fines and admitted no wrong doing. That's not even going into banks like HSBC who committed money laundering, treason, tax evasion, insider trading and fraud but settled and no one went to jail because they were too big to jail.

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    She's a centrist Democrat who isn't even on the same level of threat to the economy as Captain OrangeFace. Of course, business leaders are endorsing her. Also, ima just leave this here:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politi...ent/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tijuana View Post
    So, you think the bogus ratings of these securities wasn't the real crime? You are eluding to the fact that certain legal courses of business should be prosecuted, even when there is no violation of law. You come off as simply being angry they made risky decisions that impacted the economy. That isn't the same thing as committing a crime.
    Legalized thievery is still thievery.

    Positions of authority don't dictate what reality is, only who gets arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Hillary is pro-business, but for some reason her followers think she is progressive and will fight for the middle and lower class.
    Those are not exclusive from one another.
    The entirety of Europe is capitalistic, pro business, but also about the so called middle and lower class.

    On that note. The middle class doesn't exist, and basically never has. It's just a feelgood term to make you think to be more important.
    But factually there are only two groups of people. Those with enough money, and those with not enough money.
    "The pen is mightier than the sword.. and considerably easier to write with."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    Those are not exclusive from one another.
    The entirety of Europe is capitalistic, pro business, but also about the so called middle and lower class.

    On that note. The middle class doesn't exist, and basically never has. It's just a feelgood term to make you think to be more important.
    But factually there are only two groups of people. Those with enough money, and those with not enough money.
    Middle class people do exist, they aren't mythological fairies. For example, anyone near the median income in the US is middle class. They are neither lower nor upper class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Middle class people do exist, they aren't mythological fairies. For example, anyone near the median income in the US is middle class. They are neither lower nor upper class.
    That's only a label, nothing else.
    You either have or don't have enough money.
    That applies to every single person of the society.
    "The pen is mightier than the sword.. and considerably easier to write with."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    That's only a label, nothing else.
    You either have or don't have enough money.
    That applies to every single person of the society.
    Middle is a description of where people are relative to others. For example, if you split the US by income three ways the middle would be 33-66%. That is just one way to define it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    Those are not exclusive from one another.
    The entirety of Europe is capitalistic, pro business.
    Indeed. I am very pro-business, yet I am also a progressive liberal. I support the EU-US free-trade agreement, unlike Bernie Sanders, as do Hillary. Quite a pro-business thing. At the same time I support higher taxation on the wealthiest of individuals, universal healthcare, free public higher education, gay marriage, equal pay for equal work, strong unions, good paternity leave, gun control. Progressive stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Middle is a description of where people are relative to others. For example, if you split the US by income three ways the middle would be 33-66%. That is just one way to define it though.
    Yes, but it does not invalidate the mathematical practical outcome.
    It is a label used to make people feel better, feel more worth, when in fact, it's really just two groups with each harboring people with different amounts of money at their disposal, or the lack thereof.
    "The pen is mightier than the sword.. and considerably easier to write with."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    Democrats and Republics are different sides of a coin, but in the end, they are both part of the same coin.
    If Hillary was a coin, both sides would be tails..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepresident View Post
    good news americans you are going to be the Property of Netflix,Boeing....
    since there are few 100 million americans you prob just got sold for 3$-5$
    That's pretty funny, coming from the guy who has a photo of Trump as an avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    Yes, but it does not invalidate the mathematical practical outcome.
    It is a label used to make people feel better, feel more worth, when in fact, it's really just two groups with each harboring people with different amounts of money at their disposal, or the lack thereof.
    That would be the bottom 50% and the top 50%. Socio-economics is a spectrum.
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    It's because Hillary is all about the little people. And the little people are their customers.

    That's why. This is a progressive. I'm with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    It's because Hillary is all about the little people. And the little people are their customers.

    That's why. This is a progressive. I'm with her.
    That appeal must be how she beat Sanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    The bottom 50% and the top 50%. Socio-economics is a spectrum.
    There's no such thing as bottom 50 and top 50.
    That is long out of the window.
    Here's a check mark for you.
    Businesses are evaluated generally by a 2 years revenue. That's the ballpark number value they have, in order you wanna sell.
    Now go from there as private person. Can you cover any unexpected expense of 2 years income without going into debt? No? Then you don't have enough money.
    Yes? Then you do have enough money.

    Read the article, then read the report from the Federal Reserve linked in the article.
    Nearly half this country can't even easily cover a surprise bill of $400.00..
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...a-400-expense/
    Another article
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-shame/476415/


    The sooner you stop believing in what you're told, the sooner you'll probably realize who fucks you in the ass every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    There's no such thing as bottom 50 and top 50.
    That is long out of the window.
    Here's a check mark for you.
    Businesses are evaluated generally by a 2 years revenue. That's the ballpark number value they have, in order you wanna sell.
    Now go from there as private person. Can you cover any unexpected expense of 2 years income without going into debt? No? Then you don't have enough money.
    Yes? Then you do have enough money.

    Read the article, then read the report from the Federal Reserve linked in the article.
    Nearly half this country can't even easily cover a surprise bill of $400.00..
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...a-400-expense/

    The sooner you stop believing in what you're told, the sooner you'll probably realize who fucks you in the ass every day.
    Technically 5 years profits is what businesses are generally valued at.

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