Will the UK break up following EU referendum?

[Cien]

Amen. I've lost respect for the English people. Their servitude for America didn't make me like them a lot, but this has taken them to a whole other level.

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Your stupid rhetoric is a good way to dismiss the reality, isn't it? The exact same was said about the Leave campaign, and here we are - it is realized. You think the Scots are happy about these results? Rofl. Just rofl.

dont tarnish us all, 15.8m voted against this in addition to those who didnt vote at all =/

[Pann]

Scotland breaks even. You could have those things in England if you bothered to vote for someone offering it instead of ushering in increasingly right wing Governments.

In fairness they did in 2010 when many voted for the Lib Dems on the basis of scrapping tuition fees only to find out that promises come cheap when the person making them thinks there is no chance they'll have to make good on them.

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Without the UK I'm guessing the EU wont take anymore countries that are negative cash flows. Scotland is poor, what on earth could they offer the EU?.

Maybe because Scotland is the 12th strongest economy in the EU?

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I'd wager Scotland will want to break up. Thing is UK is in a deep shit atm. Pound already plummeted today too. Pound at its lowest in 31 years...

[willtron]

If anyone in the US thinks that there's no chance of Trump winning the presidency, this is your wake up call.

I think the possibility of the UK breaking up is very high, we'll become the un-United Kingdom, and then England will join the states and become the Reunited States of Amerigland.

[Aggrophobic]

Yeah. the UK kinda messed themselves up with this one.
Sad day, indeed.

[Zarc]

Whichever countries and territories that today forms part of the United Kingdom opts to remain part of the United Kingdom I wish them good luck, genuinely, in the future. I wish the outcome would have been a different one and that we could have had good luck together going forward. But every member state of the European Union is a sovereign state and so it is not up to me. Even if they weren't sovereign states it wouldn't be up to me, as throughout history countries have emerged time and time again without having been sovereign. If this means Scotland will emerge as a sovereign state that is a member of the European Union I do not know. But I hope so. Not because I don't wish the best for the United Kingdom, I do, but because I also wish Scotland and the rest of the European Union the best as well. I don't know that the prospects for a similar case is as strong for Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, though as I see it they have even more reason to want to take that route as well. Not the least Gibraltar with 96% of the vote for remain.

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The middle class is rising against monopolism and globalization orchestrating its extinction by destroying the only protection they have against monopolism and globalization. Good job!

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Also an independent Scotland that is part of the EU would take up a lot of English business who would prefer not to move to Germany or France. Though many of them are prepared to move to Ireland instead.

I was reading HSBC is planning on moving to Paris & Deutsche bank moving their offices over to Dublin & Frankfurt.
If Scotland would move out the UK and join EU they might change their minds as well!
Who knows. Interesting to follow all this anyway!

[Hooked]

If anyone in the US thinks that there's no chance of Trump winning the presidency, this is your wake up call.

I think the possibility of the UK breaking up is very high, we'll become the un-United Kingdom, and then England will join the states and become the Reunited States of Amerigland.

Of course trump will win.

[Teleros]

Following the Brexit that is now a reality, I want to ask my fellow forumers about their predictions on the future of the UK. People of both Northern Ireland and Scotland have been forced to leave the European Union, and it is expected that in the foreseeable future they will both hold independence referendums.

I am very much for breaking up this dysfunctional union that is the UK, and I am confident that my fellow Europeans too wish to see the Scottish and Northern Irish people be part of our path toward unity and prosperity. I am also confident that independence referendums will take place, and the UK will cease to be as it is. In the end, England will take a loss much greater than any other entity involved beginning in their EU referendum and ending in the independence referendum of the last country to leave their union in the near future.

I'm not sure TBH.

The two favourites for the Tory leadership are Boris Johnson & Theresa May (3rd is Michael Gove, but he says he's not interested), and all are in favour of the Scots & Irish remaining a part of the UK.

Now, Scotland, has just had an independence referendum, so I think there's a good argument to be made that this is it, for at least a couple of decades - and that's based on Alex Salmond's view on the Scottish referendum. It's obviously different for Northern Ireland after all, as they've never had a referendum on leaving the UK (and probably joining the Republic of Ireland).

No doubt feelings are going to be running high in the immediate aftermath of the Brexit result, but I think that if Westminster can tough out the immediate post-Brexit grumblings from Scotland that things will soon quieten down. Maybe there can be more devolution of powers (something I'm all in favour of as a general principle*) too, which will probably please Sturgeon.

The wild card to the above is of course the economy: if the post-EU British economy takes a big nosedive then I can see more support for Scottish independence. So long as it performs at least reasonably well however, I think the UK can tough out the SNP's demands.

I also worry about how Scotland will do outside the UK. It'd lose lots of money from the UK, and the state sector is very big up in Scotland, which is not good for a healthy economy. If Scotland kept the Pound Sterling (as Salmond et al insisted) then they'd be at the mercy of Westminster when it came to monetary policy, which is never good for a country. If they joined the Euro it'd be the same, only they'd be at the mercy of Frankfurt instead of Westminster :P .

I am confident that my fellow Europeans too wish to see the Scottish and Northern Irish people be part of our path toward unity and prosperity

There's a lot of division in the EU, and I wouldn't be surprised if we see more referendums on leaving the EU (eg Denmark, the Netherlands, Greece, and potentially even France!), so I'm not sure about this particular sentiment.

Also, I'm not sure if Spain would let the Scots in. They don't want their own Catalonian independence movement to secede and join the EU, so they'd want to establish a precedent with Scotland. It'd be different for Northern Ireland if they joined the Republic of Ireland, because the latter's already a part of the EU.

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*My personal preference would be a federal UK, where individual counties (or Wales/Scotland/NI in the case of those 3, if they prefer) deciding the great majority of all policies. Westminster could be left with foreign policy, trade, defence, and some law & order etc. That would probably take a lot of the wind out of the SNP's sails (especially if they have to fund all their policies themselves rather than relying on handouts from Westminster).

[Deja Thoris]

I'd wager Scotland will want to break up. Thing is UK is in a deep shit atm. Pound already plummeted today too. Pound at its lowest in 31 years...

Thats a kneejerk reaction.

Still, leaving is a stupid move.

[Shadowmelded]

You are so naive. There is a very long history of nationalist movements pretending to be utopian socialists, then abandoning the left in power. If the SNP gets control then you will find they turn into nest-feathering free market types very quickly. Nationalist movements are always ultimately right-wing. Did you really think a banker like Salmond wants to share wealth?

In which case we'll just vote them out. Considering Sturgeon was the only one railing against Austerity at the GE though I think we'll be fine for the immediate future.

Also, I'm not sure if Spain would let the Scots in. They don't want their own Catalonian independence movement to secede and join the EU, so they'd want to establish a precedent with Scotland. It'd be different for Northern Ireland if they joined the Republic of Ireland, because the latter's already a part of the EU.

As long as it's done constitutionally and legally they have no problem since there is no mechanism for Catalonia to do the same. UDI is a different matter though.

[Dhrizzle]

Why doesn't Ireland just join the UK?.

Because we were utterly fucking horrible to them when they were part of the UK.

[kamuimac]

Following the Brexit that is now a reality, I want to ask my fellow forumers about their predictions on the future of the UK. People of both Northern Ireland and Scotland have been forced to leave the European Union, and it is expected that in the foreseeable future they will both hold independence referendums.

I am very much for breaking up this dysfunctional union that is the UK, and I am confident that my fellow Europeans too wish to see the Scottish and Northern Irish people be part of our path toward unity and prosperity. I am also confident that independence referendums will take place, and the UK will cease to be as it is. In the end, England will take a loss much greater than any other entity involved beginning in their EU referendum and ending in the independence referendum of the last country to leave their union in the near future.

well its pretty clear from resoults to predict what will happen - scotland will most probably separate from uk and remain in EU while rest of britan's industry will be hit heavily by losses of oil reserves there.

[Teleros]

scotland will most probably separate from uk and remain in EU while rest of britan's industry will be hit heavily by losses of oil reserves there.

1. Scotland would have to rejoin the EU, because it's only a member because it's a part of the UK - it doesn't have its own separate membership.
2. North Sea oil is a minor issue for British industry.
3. Scotland won't necessarily get much in the way of North Sea oil anyway. It's thanks to UK law that any seas at all are under Scottish jurisdiction.
4. Fracking in England is just beginning.
5. Most of the oil is used up.

Apart from these points your post is fine though :P .

[Guyv3r]

There are a lot of English out there high on nationalism and low on brain cells, the outcome doesn't shock me though it does surprise me in the wake of Jo Cox's murder and a month of football hooliganism from the sort of people of fly the Leave flag proudly. To throw your prime minister, currency and union to the sharks all because of an antiquated superiority complex forged from colonial times is darwinism on a national scale. Truly incredible and will be fascinating to see how this plays out. Seemingly a big education divide in the demographics voting for each, you wonder if those in favour of leaving truly understand the implications of what they've done.

QFT. /clap 10chars

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All that's going to happen is Scotland throwing a hissy fit as per usual

[Keosen]

Maybe.
The bad thing about this is that since Germany failed to indirectly conquer Europe it might fell back to old habits and try to do it the traditional way once more.

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The butthurt is hilarious here

[Karon]

most likely but alas, would that be a bad thing?

other countrys wouldnt be able to buly the smaller ones, and so on and so on...

it has its ups and downs, unfortionately most people dont see it till it hits them in the face.

Yep, instead the small countries will fail miserabley.