HFC nerfs are in.

[Defective99]

For those wondering the current state of HFC on beta/ptr as of this post is as follows:

The raid restriction is removed on beta HFC and you can zone in solo to see the 30% demoralized debuff.

It won't let you zone into the PTR HFC even in a raid group.

[javen]

There are several quests in Legion that send you back to HFC, one to kill Archimonde even, so the nerd makes sense to allow people to get them done without resorting to making a raid group.

[Relapses]

There are several quests in Legion that send you back to HFC, one to kill Archimonde even, so the nerd makes sense to allow people to get them done without resorting to making a raid group.

I don't think anybody will be soloing HFC in the next tier. SoO in its nerfed-to-oblivion state was still fairly tough at 100 right after the expansion hit.

[Volitar]

I don't think it will be enough TBH. People underestimate how much damage we are losing, how squishy tanks are going to be and the loss of all spirit regen.

[Sylvaeres]

This will probably offset the lower dps every class will do

[Deleted]

There will be little change, the loss of DPS will balance out with the 30% reduction de-buff the boss has. Or they are still yet to change/alter character numbers on there, who knows?

[Deleted]

archimonde mythic is funny with this nerf i mean from 464m to 324m this is really huge so basicly you bloodlust him into the last phase even if the dps is not so high like now i think there are many classes who do more then now on live.

BL debuff last 5 min now on Beta so is prety much possible to get 2 BL`s

[Lamora]

Business as usual.

[dreamdaddy]

I don't think it will be enough TBH. People underestimate how much damage we are losing, how squishy tanks are going to be and the loss of all spirit regen.

I'm expecting this. It's not going to be a steamroll to M Archi. If you weren't killing him before, you probably won't kill him with the pre-patch (unless you were super close). If you were killing him before, let's hope your core raid hasn't gotten sloppy.

[Deleted]

They tend to underestimate how much the nerfs make it easier for the healers and tanks compared to the DPS. If you nerf a boss on damage it does and health it does you double dip the healing nerf because you make it directly easier to heal but also the fight ends faster which indirectly makes it easier to heal and tanking is similar because it has less damage to mitigate or take and the fight ends faster. Damage dealers have very minor advantages in needing less defense, so the nerfs of that sort are only partially felt by them.

[mauserr]

They tend to underestimate how much the nerfs make it easier for the healers and tanks compared to the DPS. If you nerf a boss on damage it does and health it does you double dip the healing nerf because you make it directly easier to heal but also the fight ends faster which indirectly makes it easier to heal and tanking is similar because it has less damage to mitigate or take and the fight ends faster. Damage dealers have very minor advantages in needing less defense, so the nerfs of that sort are only partially felt by them.

Except the fight might not end faster because class DPS @ lvl 100 during the prepatch is shit compared to what people do now.

[Deleted]

Except the fight might not end faster because class DPS @ lvl 100 during the prepatch is shit compared to what people do now.

That does not change the point because even if that is true, without the fight ending faster, healers and tanks would find it harder too, not just the DPSes.

[Saiona]

Cheap mounts inc

Blackhand and Archie wont have 100% drop chance for their mythic mounts in prepatch. Also the moose from heroic goes away in prepatch.

[psyquest]

Blackhand and Archie wont have 100% drop chance for their mythic mounts in prepatch. Also the moose from heroic goes away in prepatch.

The mount are still going to be 100% up until legion launch.

[Deleted]

Cheap mounts inc

New gold cap says "hi", you can forget getting a boost for less than 1 million ever again.

[Raiju]

I don't think anybody will be soloing HFC in the next tier. SoO in its nerfed-to-oblivion state was still fairly tough at 100 right after the expansion hit.

On normal? not really - it's just mechanically impossible.

[mauserr]

That does not change the point because even if that is true, without the fight ending faster, healers and tanks would find it harder too, not just the DPSes.

Huh? Your previous post said this nerf makes everything easier for tanks and healers, not harder. A typo? :P

[Deja Thoris]

Blackhand and Archie wont have 100% drop chance for their mythic mounts in prepatch. Also the moose from heroic goes away in prepatch.

Yes they will.

[Octa]

Blackhand and Archie wont have 100% drop chance for their mythic mounts in prepatch. Also the moose from heroic goes away in prepatch.

The Blackhand and Archie mounts are 100% drop till expansion launch and at that point they drop to 1%.

[Mil Mascaras]

If you still can't kill Archie with this new nerf, you are veritably and extraordinarily bad.