Star Trek: Enterprise appreciation thread

[Chetnik]

just had to fix that. Enterprise was fine. Voyager was just bad.

Really? With the exception of a few episodes (like the Tom x Catherine slug sex episode), Voyager was fine. I'd even say it's more enjoyable to watch than TNG

[draynay]

Salamander episode was at least hilariously bad, unlike some of the painfully bad early TNGs.

[Hammerfest]

Really? With the exception of a few episodes (like the Tom x Catherine slug sex episode), Voyager was fine. I'd even say it's more enjoyable to watch than TNG

Voyager was plagued with poor writing and cliches already worn out by 7 years of TNG. It became clear that the writers of that show didn't understand a lot of the terms they were using. Even what I consider their best episode ("Message In A Bottle") had one major flaw: In the episode, they send the Doctor to the Alpha Quadrant, leaving Voyager without their EMH program. Why didn't they just copy him to the Prometheus? That way they didn't have to be without their Doctor. When you "move" a program from one hard drive to another, you first copy it and then delete it from the original hard drive. Why would they do that if the EMH was so important to their survival? The reason is because whoever wrote the episode was counting on the audience not knowing that so they could have a plausible sub-plot in the episode about Tom and Harry trying to write their own replacement EMH program. It would have been better to just copy the Doctor to the Prometheus and then have the two programs merge at the end of the episode.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

I liked the show. I hated its intro.

[Chetnik]

Voyager was plagued with poor writing and cliches already worn out by 7 years of TNG. It became clear that the writers of that show didn't understand a lot of the terms they were using. Even what I consider their best episode ("Message In A Bottle") had one major flaw: In the episode, they send the Doctor to the Alpha Quadrant, leaving Voyager without their EMH program. Why didn't they just copy him to the Prometheus? That way they didn't have to be without their Doctor. When you "move" a program from one hard drive to another, you first copy it and then delete it from the original hard drive. Why would they do that if the EMH was so important to their survival? The reason is because whoever wrote the episode was counting on the audience not knowing that so they could have a plausible sub-plot in the episode about Tom and Harry trying to write their own replacement EMH program. It would have been better to just copy the Doctor to the Prometheus and then have the two programs merge at the end of the episode.

My favorite episode, by far, was "Blink of an Eye" (S6E12). I think the idea behind the inability to copy the doctor was due to how much space he was already taking. Earlier in the series, the doctor had massive issues because his program had grown so extensively, and the ship's computer couldn't cope anymore.

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Really? With the exception of a few episodes (like the Tom x Catherine slug sex episode), Voyager was fine.I'd even say it's more enjoyable to watch than TNG

Yeah just no! voyage is the worst of all ever made ST series because it has the worst acting and stories ever.

[draynay]

My favorite episode, by far, was "Blink of an Eye" (S6E12). I think the idea behind the inability to copy the doctor was due to how much space he was already taking. Earlier in the series, the doctor had massive issues because his program had grown so extensively, and the ship's computer couldn't cope anymore.

It's a terrific episode, exactly what you want and expect from star trek.

[Hammerfest]

I think the idea behind the inability to copy the doctor was due to how much space he was already taking. Earlier in the series, the doctor had massive issues because his program had grown so extensively, and the ship's computer couldn't cope anymore.

That wouldn't have mattered in the episode I was talking about because they were sending the Doctor to another ship. There was no reason why Voyager had to be without their EMH while he was also on the Prometheus.

[Hammerfest]

If the show would have made it to Season 5, the ship would have gotten a dedicated "engineering module," making it look more like other Enterprises... according to Doug Drexler.

[Hammerfest]

We can also thank ENT for fleshing out (no pun intended) the Orions. The revelation that it is not actually the females who are the slaves was a cool little wrinkle that will never make you look at an Orion Slave Girl the same way again...

[jakeic]

I think Star trek: Enterprise would have worked if it was a totaly sepeart IP. A buch of not so perfect people flying around in a spaceship, and somtime do questionable moral decisions. Now it did feel why are Battelstar Galactic in my Star Trek....

Also the whole Xindi plot, we are a super secret organization. Earth do not know about us hence they will not look for us. So we send a miniature death star to burn Florida so they will know about us and will be very motivaded to look for us....

you forgot to mention they did it because they were told by some shadow that Earth would attack and destroy their planet, when they didn't have a planet because they had already destroyed it. Also, let's not forget the forgotten avians.

[Shakadam]

Enterprise was a pretty good show imo, it had an interesting storyline, sad it was cancelled . I also like voyager (sue me!) but absolutely hated DS9. God I don't even know why I ever watched that shit show because every single episode made me rage, mostly due to its main actor aka the captain. I feel like they just pulled in some random dude who was never in his life taken an acting class.

every.single.fucking.thing.he.said.sounded.like.he.was.imagining.a.period.like.this.after. every.word.


Now TNG is a show I've actually never seen.... I've tried, oh believe me I've tried numerous times but the problem is simply that the first episodes (even the first 2 seasons or so I've heard) are just terrible, really just on a level worse than DS9 terrible, complete with shitty models because it was pre-CGI era. I just can't sit through those episodes and neither do I want to skip ahead and miss the story. It's a dilemma.

[Stormspark]

I loved Enterprise. Even the worst episodes were better than most of Voyager. Voyager had a few really great episodes, and a lot of crap. Voyager had some of the worst writing I've ever seen. It wasn't the actors, it was the bad writing. It was only in the later seasons that Kate Mulgrew demanded some more control over her character, before that Janeway was awful. I thought it was just bad acting at the time, but then I saw Kate Mulgrew in other stuff and she's actually a great actor. It wasn't her, it was the writing.

I loved how Enterprise had a different feel from the other series too. It was supposed to. The Federation didn't exist yet, and Earth was just starting to explore space on its own. Seasons 1 and 2 of Enterprise reminded me a lot of SG-1 (after they got the Prometheus obviously). Season 4 was really good.

[Hammerfest]

I loved how Enterprise had a different feel from the other series too. It was supposed to. The Federation didn't exist yet, and Earth was just starting to explore space on its own. Seasons 1 and 2 of Enterprise reminded me a lot of SG-1 (after they got the Prometheus obviously). Season 4 was really good.

Yeah. We were so used to a ship called "Enterprise" typically being a match for most enemy vessels it encountered. On ST: ENT, the NX-01 Enterprise was usually way outclassed by everybody else's ships... Romulans, Klingons and even Vulcans. I rather liked that. Archer had to be sneaky and got smarter as the show progressed. He started out being a naive explorer and ended the show as basically a submarine captain.

[minteK917]

Enterprise was shit because at the time much better scifi show just blessed TV outside of star trek. Shows like Babylon 5 had just ended and shows like Farscape, star gate were mid run. Enterprise was just an ok show, with the star trek name attached to it. Hell i had more fun watching Andromeda then Enterprise (ok mabye not season 5 lol). Also the show was dumb in its protrayal of the prime directive, then again so was early TNG. Seems only the Original series understood the concept and that it wasent a cult of absolute.

[Hammerfest]

Berman and Bragga talked a lot about network (UPN) interference when it came to the development of ST:ENT. They didn't want the ship to actually launch until the end of the first season. They also didn't want the ship to have a transporter. UPN put the kibosh on that. They wanted it to be more like a 21st century show (like LOST, 24 and The Wire). UPN wanted to stick to the formula of the 90s Star Trek show where most episodes are self-contained.

[Hammerfest]

Doug Drexler, who worked on various Star Trek shows for years and years, destroys the Star Trek "fans" who maligned ST: ENT and the NX-01 in this two part special from Trekyards...

[Tradewind]

I went and rewatched this all on Netflix not too long ago and I think I have a much better appreciation for the series than before.

It was somewhat refreshing that the crew wasn't loaded with a bunch of supercomputer mega geniuses riding around in what is basically a las vegas casino. Instead it's a bunch of hillbillies flying a shitbox built by more hillbillies. It has that quirky quaintness to it that was nice.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I went and rewatched this all on Netflix not too long ago and I think I have a much better appreciation for the series than before.

It was somewhat refreshing that the crew wasn't loaded with a bunch of supercomputer mega geniuses riding around in what is basically a las vegas casino.

Now that I think about it, yeah that's pretty much what the TNG ships were: an escapist fantasy where people can relax in unfathomable luxury with the occasional fun adventure in which nobody gets too hurt under the pretense of "scientific exploration" and feeling good about it.

[Tradewind]

Now that I think about it, yeah that's pretty much what the TNG ships were: an escapist fantasy where people can relax in unfathomable luxury with the occasional fun adventure in which nobody gets too hurt under the pretense of "scientific exploration" and feeling good about it.

It totally is lol.

You got luxury crew quarters, bigger than some apartments, with sweeping vistas and views from big ass windows everywhere. Unlimited food and drink for the most part. Theme park attractions everywhere with the Holodeck. Spas, mud rooms, arboretums, aquariums, museums, all sorts of shit! Ships are fast as shit, get anywhere. Leather chairs abound. It's a kilometer long 5 star luxury resort!