Why do people...?

[Adarian]

she's an idiot who got everyone around her killed for "peace".
well i suppose she meant the peace of the grave and is secretly still dating arthas.

[Deleted]

It has something to do with blizz turning her character around like shishkebab.

[Traveler Voltin]

She is poorly written. Mainly because too many people write her. Golden tried to put jaina back to somewhat normal. But blizzard killed that idea with their writing

[FelPlague]

people like to hate on her because shes done alot of weird things in her life, tried to defend the horde, then tried to kill them, then tried to defend them, then killed a bunch of blood elves


but people seem to forget, were basicly omnipresent, we can see everything, so people seem to forget what stuff looks like from the person point of view instead of ours, for example alot of people look at the culling of stratholme as a evil thing, a thing arthas should have never done and was his first act of evil... when really... if you were in his shoes, and dident know what we knew.... you would all do the exact same thing

look, shes had a fucked up life

trauma of the discovery of the undead... cause god danm thats gotta fuck you up... imagine a world were undead are not a thing, no one has ever heard of it, then you just find a bunch and its like " WHAT THE FUCK WHAT IS WHAT HOW IS WHAT IS THIS I AM WHAT?"
boyfriend turns into lichking (also her first lover ;3)
guy who had a crush on her also ends up being a evil dick (no suprise though)
her boyfreind destroys the city she trained in for many years
helped kill her father
people who killed her father betray her
she defends those people again
they blow up her city, and turn her little younge apprentice to dust...
she goes to flood orgrimmar, but doesent
they betray her again so she starts kicking them out, they attack her so she starts killing them
they then allmost kill her best freinds son who she was basicly a mother to
she forgives them
she witnesses the horde forcing alextraza to breed, corrupting her children, and even smashing one of her own eggs on her face (though a vision of the past)
then they fuck everything up again with warlords, letting garrosh go (remember from her point of view)
she then sorta forgives them
legion comes, horde betrays the allaince (by means of retreating, leaving the allaince to perish it seems)
she loses somone dear and close to her
she is then forced to let the people who cost her all of this, many of her freinds lives, and much pain to herself and others...

so yeah shes been through ALOT OF SHIT so shes traumatized and pissed off as fuck

[Mehrunes]

This threads is all kinds of fascinating. The usual Alliance victimhood and "Horde players hate her for calling the Horde on its bullshit hurr durr" (obviously silently ignoring the part where Horde called her on her bullshit, i.e. invading their core territory for "peace" and attacking them before Garrosh actually invaded Ashenvale, with the mana bomb) is of course already present on the first page. But then we have new, unique gems of "people hate her because she doesn't show her boobs" (with some more Alliance victimhood about the Forsaken) and "people hate her because she's an old (is she, though?) woman that sleeps around". Sounds like the Gen-OT is spilling into the Lore forum.

[Friendlyimmolation]

This threads is all kinds of fascinating. The usual Alliance victimhood and "Horde players hate her for calling the Horde on its bullshit hurr durr" (obviously silently ignoring the part where Horde called her on her bullshit, i.e. invading their core territory for "peace" and attacking them before Garrosh actually invaded Ashenvale) with the mana bomb)is obviously already present on the first page. But then we have new, unique gems of "people hate her because she doesn't show her boobs" (with some more Alliance victimhood about the Forsaken) and "people hate her because she's an old (is she, though?) woman that sleeps around". Sounds like the Gen-OT is spilling into the Lore forum.

Not to mention jaina shows more skin than Sylvanas does now in legion. Does this mean alliance will use their superior intellect to now say " you only like sylvanas because she wears practical armour?"

[AwkwardSquirtle]

People resent the dismantling of peaceful characters. Jaina was one of those who sought peace at any cost, even turning on her own father for attacking the peace she worked so hard for. She always believed there was good in the horde.
Anduin has been teased as "finding the true cost of peace" in Legion, a dev interview said he'd likely grow to understand how his father was.
Thrall seems the only remaining champion of peace between the Alliance and Horde.

[Mehrunes]

Not to mention jaina shows more skin than Sylvanas does now in legion. Does this mean alliance will use their superior intellect to now say " you only like sylvanas because she wears practical armour?"

And at least Sylvanas had a lore excuse for her exposing armor (or even for running around naked if she wanted to) with her "nigh indestructible" body (which always made the whining of all the Protars of this world about such armor not making sense severely misplaced). Jaina, not so much.

As for Alliance players, let's be generous and hypothesize that they'll make an actually rational argument for once and go with "Jaina is using natural fabrics while Sylvanas uses leather armor and kills poor animals for it".

[Friendlyimmolation]

And at least Sylvanas had a lore excuse for her exposing armor (or even for running around naked if she wanted to) with her "nigh indestructible" body (which always made the whining of all the Protars of this world about such armor not making sense severely misplaced). Jaina, not so much.

As for Alliance players, let's be generous and hypothesize that they'll make an actually rational argument for once and go with "Jaina is using natural fabrics while Sylvanas uses leather armor and kills poor animals for it".

Sylvanas eats only meat. While jaina is a vegan, and I hate vegans! *mouth frothing*

[Magnagarde]

Players and lore fans often can't come to terms with senseful character development when it involves hatred towards one or the other faction or a specific race, especially if they're fans of that faction/race.

Characters like Jaina, Sylvannas and Genn are having proper character development. What I mean by this is that Blizzard is making their script in a way that what they've been through in the past determines what they'll do in the future. They are guided by their past experiences and their characters hold deep hatred towards those that wronged them. These characters are beings that have their emotions of their own and their emotions are guided by what they've been through. I am actually quite happy with how these three characters have developed and I hope Blizzard won't bomb them away in a raid by having them killed off.

You can't expect Genn to be at peace with the Forsaken, you can't expect Sylvannas to give up on what she has, you can't expect Jaina to ever make peace with the Horde again and so on. These are expectable plotlines that didn't come out of nowhere; they've slowly evolved through several expansions and they are where they are right now. This is what makes them good.

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

people like to hate on her because shes done alot of weird things in her life, tried to defend the horde, then tried to kill them, then tried to defend them, then killed a bunch of blood elves


but people seem to forget, were basicly omnipresent, we can see everything, so people seem to forget what stuff looks like from the person point of view instead of ours, for example alot of people look at the culling of stratholme as a evil thing, a thing arthas should have never done and was his first act of evil... when really... if you were in his shoes, and dident know what we knew.... you would all do the exact same thing

look, shes had a fucked up life

trauma of the discovery of the undead... cause god danm thats gotta fuck you up... imagine a world were undead are not a thing, no one has ever heard of it, then you just find a bunch and its like " WHAT THE FUCK WHAT IS WHAT HOW IS WHAT IS THIS I AM WHAT?"
boyfriend turns into lichking (also her first lover ;3)
guy who had a crush on her also ends up being a evil dick (no suprise though)
her boyfreind destroys the city she trained in for many years
helped kill her father
people who killed her father betray her
she defends those people again
they blow up her city, and turn her little younge apprentice to dust...
she goes to flood orgrimmar, but doesent
they betray her again so she starts kicking them out, they attack her so she starts killing them
they then allmost kill her best freinds son who she was basicly a mother to
she forgives them
she witnesses the horde forcing alextraza to breed, corrupting her children, and even smashing one of her own eggs on her face (though a vision of the past)
then they fuck everything up again with warlords, letting garrosh go (remember from her point of view)
she then sorta forgives them
legion comes, horde betrays the allaince (by means of retreating, leaving the allaince to perish it seems)
she loses somone dear and close to her
she is then forced to let the people who cost her all of this, many of her freinds lives, and much pain to herself and others...

so yeah shes been through ALOT OF SHIT so shes traumatized and pissed off as fuck

This!

That's why I like her. Not everyone in the Alliance needs to be a goody two-shoes. Also.. if Sylvanas murders everyone, people think she's awesome. How does that work?

[RedGamer030]

Why do people...

Make such click-baity thread titles?

On Topic: Her story is stale and stagnant ever since the bombing of Theramore.

[PursueTheChase]

Players and lore fans often can't come to terms with senseful character development when it involves hatred towards one or the other faction or a specific race, especially if they're fans of that faction/race.

Characters like Jaina, Sylvannas and Genn are having proper character development. What I mean by this is that Blizzard is making their script in a way that what they've been through in the past determines what they'll do in the future. They are guided by their past experiences and their characters hold deep hatred towards those that wronged them. These characters are beings that have their emotions of their own and their emotions are guided by what they've been through. I am actually quite happy with how these three characters have developed and I hope Blizzard won't bomb them away in a raid by having them killed off.

You can't expect Genn to be at peace with the Forsaken, you can't expect Sylvannas to give up on what she has, you can't expect Jaina to ever make peace with the Horde again and so on. These are expectable plotlines that didn't come out of nowhere; they've slowly evolved through several expansions and they are where they are right now. This is what makes them good.

And I never expected Jaina to make peace with them after they bombed her island. Except she did. Then she didn't. Then while she wasn't at peace, Khadgar overruled her decisions and the Kirin Tor were at peace again. Then they weren't. I can accept some character development. But going back and forth repeatedly is not development, it's stagnation.

[Kallisto]

This!

That's why I like her. Not everyone in the Alliance needs to be a goody two-shoes. Also.. if Sylvanas murders everyone, people think she's awesome. How does that work?

I'd like a list on how she was betrayed by orcs please?

[Mehrunes]

I'd like a list on how she was betrayed by orcs please?

-The reason she helped kill her father is because Thrall the entire Horde took turns raping her into submission;
-Some Horde members during Vanilla stormed her outposts bound in ropes to make it look like Theramore is doing shady stuff during a time or relative peace;
-Attacked Theramore during peace talks after Varian's return, pretending to be Twilight Hammer cultists that pretended to be Horde;
-Forced Putress to betray the Forsaken, ally with the Burning Legion and betray the Alliance at the Wrathgate;
-Mind-controlled Varian to declare war on them and the rest of the Horde;
-Secretely paid the Night Elves to cease all trade with the Horde;
-Pretended to be Twilight Hammer cultists pretending to be Horde to kill some Druids;
-Moved Crossroads in path of Norwatch soldiers, which caused them to attack it (they mistakenly thought the moving outpost was attacking them) to make it look like Jaina attacked the Horde;
-Captured the Norwatch soldiers that attacked Crossroads;
-Adorned Honor's Stand with Alliance flags and put Norwatch soldiers captured earlier there to make it look like Jaina attacked the Horde even more;
-Dishonored the secret treaty with Night Elves and used them ceasing trade as a justification for an invasion of Ashenvale, despite Night Elves being paid to do so;
-Made Dustwallow Marsh look like Alliance's highway to the frontlines, which made the Alliance look bad and disrupted the habitats of some animals that Theramore citizens eat, leading to food shortage;
-Created magnets for Norwatch soldiers and placed them in Durotar, Mulgore, Northern Barrens, Southern Barrens, Azshara and Stonetalon Mountains;
-Mana bombed a city they made look aggressive with their soldier magnet;
-Mind-controlled Jaina to take sides during the Divine Bell incident;
-Had Malkorok pretend he was a Sunreaver that followed his leader to Darnassus and followed her example of taking sides in the conflict;
-Mind-controlled Jaina again, this time to make her project the actions of that lone Sunreaver (i.e. Malkorok in disguise) on the entire faction without any investigation or proof;
-Mind-controlled Jaina to make her go full dictator on the Kirin-Tor;
-Didn't backstab the Blood Elves like she expected them to during the Thunder Isle, which led to losses on her side;
-Mostly rebelled against Garrosh, leaving her with less Orcs to kill;
-Did not let Varian execute Garrosh on the spot;
-Did not correct Moron Zhu that Theramore suffered more than the Pandaren because of Garrosh;
-Did not dismantle the Horde;
-Attacked the place of Garrosh' trial pretending to be dopplegangers of various characters from other universes;
-Made a secret alliance with the Iron Horde that led to their scouting party focusing on Nethergarde;
-Mind controlled Khadgar to work with the Horde during WoD;
-Mind controlled Khadgar to start a vote about letting them back to Dalaran;
-Mind controlled most of the council to vote in favor;
-Mind controlled Sylvanas to personally shoot each and every Alliance soldier at the Broken Shore in the back then retreat leaving their corpses to the Legion;
-Mind controlled Sylvanas to mind control Genn and Rogers to attack the Forsaken fleet.

Warcraft history is full of Orcs betraying Jaina if you know where to look for it and are not a blind Horde fanboy hating her because she dared to call the Horde on their bullshit.

[rasako]

Horde and Blood Elf fans who've had the story telling them since Cataclysm (Vanilla if you're Forsaken) that despite all the evil the Horde commits it's some scapegoat's fault and they're totally the good guys, honest! Go and slaughter those people who aren't the aggressors! LOK'TAR! So obviously an Alliance character actually calling out their bullshit deeply offends them for some reason and thus she MUST be evil.

Blood Elf fans are fanatics on a whole other level, almost as bad as diehard Sylvanas fanboys, which is why we had three endless years of them crying "THE PURGE WAS LITERALLY AZEROTH'S HOLOCAUST ONLY WORSE!"

People equate a character disliking the Horde as bad writing. Pretty much all of WoW is awfully written, Jaina's not an exception to that, but she's certainly not the worst case by a long shot.

The problem is that she has had far worse things happen to her than having her city bombed and she never turned into a batshit crazy psycho. She's just been poorly written after warcraft 3 tbh.

[Zulkhan]

Oh my, Dartz made a thread.

*grabs popcorn*

[Deleted]

coz she's a kiss arse

[Friendlyimmolation]

Horde and Blood Elf fans who've had the story telling them since Cataclysm (Vanilla if you're Forsaken) that despite all the evil the Horde commits it's some scapegoat's fault and they're totally the good guys, honest! Go and slaughter those people who aren't the aggressors! LOK'TAR! So obviously an Alliance character actually calling out their bullshit deeply offends them for some reason and thus she MUST be evil.

Blood Elf fans are fanatics on a whole other level, almost as bad as diehard Sylvanas fanboys, which is why we had three endless years of them crying "THE PURGE WAS LITERALLY AZEROTH'S HOLOCAUST ONLY WORSE!"

People equate a character disliking the Horde as bad writing. Pretty much all of WoW is awfully written, Jaina's not an exception to that, but she's certainly not the worst case by a long shot.

Another poster going full retard, attempting to paint every horde player with one stroke, refusing to or outright pretending the alliance and draenei are blameless, and then inevitably getting mad when he's made fun of for having no fucking clue what he's talking about.

Keep it civil

[Zulkhan]

"people hate her because she doesn't show her boobs"

She may not show her boobs (but is not like Sylvanas is slapping them on your face) but definitely shows a lot of skin for a mage, a class technically meant to wear clothes with no need of granting freedom to movements since the whole of their efforts are exclusively intellectual.