German nudists forced to wear cloths for moslem refugees.

[May90]

Whats that have to do with the thread? Its not illegal to be naked on your space. Cars are on public space. But a nudist colony isn;t public space. YOu can be naked in your home, in your neighborhood, with all your windows wide open for everyone to see. Thats completely legal, at least in the US.

It was just a response to one of the comments. Doesn't have much to do with the thread, sorry. You are completely right, a nudist beach in question is not really a public space.

I am not actually sure if you can be naked in your home/neighborhood in the US regardless of anything; I think it really depends. If I go out to the balcony absolutely naked (I live on the 1.5th floor) and a police officer walks by, will they ignore me? There is probably a certain reasonable threshold: be naked all you want, but do not expose yourself for everyone to easily see you. Also depends on the state, probably.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm all for allowed public nudity everywhere.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

It was just a response to one of the comments. Doesn't have much to do with the thread, sorry. You are completely right, a nudist beach in question is not really a public space.

I am not actually sure if you can be naked in your home/neighborhood in the US regardless of anything; I think it really depends. If I go out to the balcony absolutely naked (I live on the 1.5th floor) and a police officer walks by, will they ignore me? There is probably a certain reasonable threshold: be naked all you want, but do not expose yourself for everyone to easily see you.

I don't believe a balcony would count. But I'm fairly certain you can stand in your own living room, nude, in front of the window.

[May90]

I don't believe a balcony would count. But I'm fairly certain you can stand in your own living room, nude, in front of the window.

Ah, yes, that is certainly true. There is just a very thin line between public and private space sometimes. As I understand, the general rule is: "As long as you don't disturb others, do whatever you want". If no one can see you, you can certainly be naked. If everyone can, not so much. If few people can, and if the exposition is not very clear - then it depends on the extent.

[Kuntantee]

One of my favorite quotes on the subject:

The irony is people can't realize the guy is whining about people that whine.

[Deleted]

Why should they have to adapt for the refugees? Seems rather inconsiderate on their part after being saved.

This.

The constant whining and ungratefulness makes me suspect that most of these "refugees" have never been in any real danger that would justify an asylum.

You shouldn't go to a free and civilized country only to complain how un-islamic it is.

[Wildtree]

Masturbating inst exactly the same as just being naked. In germany being naked in your car is legal.

Don't make shit up lol
It's "Erregung oeffentlichen Aergernisses". (scandalization/indecent behavior)
They pull you over and you get booked for it. Streaking is illegal.

There's a difference between designated recreation zones where nudity is allowed. But naked everywhere? Nope, that's illegal.

[May90]

There's a difference between designated recreation zones where nudity is allowed. But naked everywhere? Nope, that's illegal.

In Spain, being naked in public is legal, and even sex in public is legal - with some restrictions.

[GrinningMan]

Wonder how much fear is influencing the decision. Change... Or ELSE!

[araine]

They are blaming the muslims since that is the go to scapegoat nowadays. when really it has nothign with that to do.

[Wildtree]

In Spain, being naked in public is legal, and even sex in public is legal - with some restrictions.

Germany is open minded, but not that open minded.

You can get naked say in the woods, and enjoy a little fun there too. That's different though.
As long as you intent to remove yourself from public exposure that's okay. No indecency given.
But if you'd deliberately run around or drive around naked, then you'd cross that line.

There's a rule attached to the laws.
They're called "reportable law". If no one feels offended, it's fair game.
If someone feels offended, it's exhibitionism. Which is outlawed.

[HumbleDuck]

Even though I can't empathise with those nudists, it seems the government being inconsiderate of the nudist people.
Having said that I have a feeling that this was the best option German government had.

[lonely zergling]

Don't make shit up lol
It's "Erregung oeffentlichen Aergernisses". (scandalization/indecent behavior)
They pull you over and you get booked for it. Streaking is illegal.

There's a difference between designated recreation zones where nudity is allowed. But naked everywhere? Nope, that's illegal.

Going naked in public is not a "Erregung oeffentlichen Aergernisses". Being naked is not a sexual act in itself.
Its a Contravention (non-criminal offense) at most if someone takes offense, very rarely gets acted on in case of being naked in your car btw.

[araine]

I find it funny that folks that think muslims are the problem here are the same people that have no problem with the puritanity of the bible bangers in the US

[Wildtree]

Going naked in public is not a "Erregung oeffentlichen Aergernisses". Being naked is not a sexual act in itself.
Its a Contravention (non-criminal offense) at most if someone takes offense, very rarely gets acted on in case of being naked in your car btw.

paragraph 183ff. StGb
That's depending on whether someone reports you. If they do, you're done.
And who does the reporting when you drive naked? That's right, the very cops that pull you over.
You'd causing a distraction, that's unnecessary endangerment.

I mean, you can be naked in your car. As long as no one has to, or can see you.

there's a good read about it
http://www.n-tv.de/ratgeber/Wann-mac...e15756991.html

[lonely zergling]

paragraph 183ff. StGb

Nope.

Try again.


Public nudity is §118 OWiG. Not a criminal offense.

[Deleted]

Wonder how much fear is influencing the decision. Change... Or ELSE!

"Muslims might get offended" is being used as an excuse for banning many things these days, from people's regular behavior to freedom of speech and opinion. What I don't get is why would you willingly import people you know to be a violent lot and might blow up in your face for the slightest provocation, intentional or not? Are "liberals" and multi-cultists using Muslims as an excuse to enforce their own totalitarian desires? Just asking.

[Wildtree]

Nope.

Try again.

Did you even bother reading?

Was sagt das Gesetz?

Der 13. Abschnitt des Strafgesetzbuchs regelt Straftaten gegen die sexuelle Selbstbestimmung. Dazu zählen neben schwerwiegenden Delikten wie sexuellem Missbrauch oder Kinderpornographie auch exhibitionistische Handlungen (Paragraph 183) und die Erregung öffentlichen Ärgernisses (Paragraph 183 a). Auf beide Delikte stehen demnach bis zu ein Jahr Freiheitsstrafe oder Geldstrafen. Voraussetzung beim Exhibitionismus ist aber, dass ihn jemand anzeigt, denn es handelt sich um ein sogenanntes Antragsdelikt. Die Tat ist also nur strafbar, wenn sich tatsächlich jemand daran stört.

Rund 7700 Fälle von Exhibitionismus und Erregung öffentlichen Ärgernisses sind in der polizeilichen Kriminalstatistik für 2014 aufgeführt, die Dunkelziffer dürfte ein gutes Stück höher liegen.

What does the law say?

The 13th section of the Criminal Code regulates crimes against sexual self-determination. These include not only serious crimes such as sexual abuse or child pornography, as well as exhibitionistic acts (paragraph 183) and the public nuisance (section 183a). therefore stand up to a year imprisonment or fines on both offenses. However, a prerequisite for exhibitionism is that someone watches and reports it, because it is a so-called report-delict. The act is therefore only punishable if someone feels bothered

Approximately 7700 cases of exhibitionism and indecent exposure are listed in the police crime statistics for 2014, the figure is likely a good deal higher.

[lonely zergling]

Did you even bother reading?

What you dont get is that Paragraph 183 a = sexual acts in public.
Paragraph 183 requires more than just being naked in public.

Public nudity is a Belästigung der Allgemeinheit at most (§118 OWiG). Not a criminal offense.

[Glaziola]

Sad news, but life in Germany is going to change.

[Wildtree]

Nope.

Try again.


Public nudity is §118 OWiG. Not a criminal offense.

that makes it illegal.
The moment when an OW is given you commit an infringement of a law.
Means your original claim "it's legal" is debunked

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What you dont get is that Paragraph 183 a = sexual acts in public.
Paragraph 183 requires more than just being naked in public.

Public nudity is a Belästigung der Allgemeinheit at most (§118 OWiG). Not a criminal offense.

No, what you don't get is how Exhibitionism is also covered in 183.
Exhibitionism is not the same as a sexual activity.