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  1. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by Kryos View Post
    You mean the death of tactics in dungeons? The 13 months content drought? The ultra boring set designs and lazy trial of the crusader "raid"? Or the lack of variation? Or the way the butchered Nax40 into a welfare epic raids with no difficulty at all? BC had many problems, but WotlK was not "factual superior". It was the start of the casual raiding and heroic dungeon format and the first expansion where subs stopped climbing. Yes, the story was great since it was the climax of the warcraft 3 and vanilla story arc, but that alone does not make an expansion superior. WotlK had great things, Ulduar was just awesome, but it also had many flaws and some where even the beginning of something we see now full blown in WoD.
    He is talking about WoD, not WoTLK

  2. #402
    Quote Originally Posted by ReVnX View Post
    He is talking about WoD, not WoTLK
    Woops... my bad. But WoD was such a turd (expect the leveling phase and some raid encounters) I do not even bother to go into details.
    Atoms are liars, they make up everything!

  3. #403
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyve View Post
    I suspect the Pre-Patch will hit mid-July, then a week before the expansion launches, we'll get access to our Demon Hunters. The pre-patch and Demon Hunter release are two separate things, they're not connected.
    Nope, that doesn't make sense.

    There're DH specific rewards in the invasion event. For it to be fair, DHs have to be released at the same time the event hits. That's also when the Illidari faction joins the Horde/Alliance.

  4. #404
    Quote Originally Posted by Shirofune View Post
    Nope, that doesn't make sense.

    There're DH specific rewards in the invasion event. For it to be fair, DHs have to be released at the same time the event hits. That's also when the Illidari faction joins the Horde/Alliance.
    They've already confirmed DH will come a couple of weeks after the prepatch hits.

  5. #405
    Quote Originally Posted by TS26 View Post
    They've already confirmed DH will come a couple of weeks after the prepatch hits.
    Yeah, with the Broken Shore scenario and the invasions.

    The first wave of the pre-patch will only bring UI and Skills/Talents changes.

  6. #406
    Quote Originally Posted by Shirofune View Post
    Yeah, with the Broken Shore scenario and the invasions.

    The first wave of the pre-patch will only bring UI and Skills/Talents changes.
    its probably after invasions as well.

    invasions and then DH/broken shore

  7. #407
    Quote Originally Posted by TS26 View Post
    its probably after invasions as well.

    invasions and then DH/broken shore
    Nope. Invasions begin when the Illidari find the demons after the Broken Shore event.

  8. #408
    Quote Originally Posted by Shirofune View Post
    Nope. Invasions begin when the Illidari find the demons after the Broken Shore event.
    Guess we'll have to wait and find out.

  9. #409
    Quote Originally Posted by TS26 View Post
    They've already confirmed DH will come a couple of weeks after the prepatch hits.
    Do you have a source?

  10. #410
    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicGuitars View Post
    Do you have a source?
    they said this during one of the first dev interviews...too lazy to google it

  11. #411
    I hope they dont release it till mid august

  12. #412
    Quote Originally Posted by Shirofune View Post
    Nope. Invasions begin when the Illidari find the demons after the Broken Shore event.
    Just because NPC demon hunters show up does not guarantee in the slightest that DHs will be available to play.
    They might have not allowed early-access to the DH class at all and the pre-event would still be the same.

    DH early access is driven by marketing among other things, and the marketing people don't particularly care if it makes "more sense" to have them be available at the same time as the pre-event starts.

  13. #413
    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    Just because NPC demon hunters show up does not guarantee in the slightest that DHs will be available to play.
    They might have not allowed early-access to the DH class at all and the pre-event would still be the same.

    DH early access is driven by marketing among other things, and the marketing people don't particularly care if it makes "more sense" to have them be available at the same time as the pre-event starts.
    Well, do you know what's sure? The demon invasions and the farming of shards starts after the Broken Shore event. We also know there're exclusive DH items in it as reward.

    In order to make it fair, everyone should have the same time to farm. Is common sense to allow the early access to begin at that point.

  14. #414
    Quote Originally Posted by Shirofune View Post
    Well, do you know what's sure? The demon invasions and the farming of shards starts after the Broken Shore event. We also know there're exclusive DH items in it as reward.

    In order to make it fair, everyone should have the same time to farm. Is common sense to allow the early access to begin at that point.
    Marketing doesn't care about fair or common sense, though. Have you ever met such people?
    You can still farm the majority of things with other characters, as much of that is account wide, and only farm the specific ones in the last week with a DH.

  15. #415
    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    Marketing doesn't care about fair or common sense, though. Have you ever met such people?
    You can still farm the majority of things with other characters, as much of that is account wide, and only farm the specific ones in the last week with a DH.
    That's not how it works. In fact, if Blizzard said you could play with DH now, a lot more people would've preordered just to play one before Legion.

  16. #416
    People really need to get their timelines down. Every non-dh class assaults the broken shore with the forces of alliance/horde and their leaders. Khadgar is absent during this assault because at the same time it is going on he is going to the vault to collect the DH's. BS and DH scenarios (second half of the DH anyway) happen at the same time.

    After all this the legion shows that it has infiltrated everything and the invasions begin. Timeline wise BS and DH stuff happens and then the Invasions.

    Though in the Dev interview (Jun 10, 2016) they said Prepatch would bring system changes and then Broken Shore, Demon Hunters, and Invasions a couple of weeks later. They are probably planning to unlock all that at the same time.

  17. #417
    Demon Hunters are playable in the prepatch? And they start at level 70?

  18. #418


    Guys? They are already updating in background? I don't have beta

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    Still no end of seasons/cm announcement, but the background download started up today. Hmm..

  20. #420
    Quote Originally Posted by Sberdila View Post


    Guys? They are already updating in background? I don't have beta
    WTF

    Need more people to post and confirm this, WTF IS HAPPENING

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