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    Ken Hams Noah Ark encounter

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...efing_c-US_d-1

    God curbed his dramatic tendencies on Tuesday, neglecting to initiate a global flood during the figurative launching of a full-size Noah’s ark replica in Kentucky.

    The Ark Encounter, based in the north of the Bluegrass state, is sculpted to proportions specified in the book of Genesis. It is 510ft long, seven storeys tall and, given its base is made of concrete, almost certain not to survive another of God’s watery caprices. (The vessel would displace – while sinking like a stone – 15,000 to 20,000 tons of water).

    Answers in Genesis, a creationist religious organisation that believes God created the Earth in six days and that the world is 6,000 years old, is behind the modern-day ark, which will open to the public on 7 July. The group estimates that 1.4m people will visit the vessel in the first year and that the ark will bring $4bn to the Commonwealth of Kentucky. The ark is a non-floating exhibition offering both a glimpse into Noah’s life at sea and an opportunity to learn about Answers in Genesis’s theories on how our planet came to exist.

    For those making the journey to Williamstown, 50 miles north of Lexington, a genuinely impressive structure awaits. In fact the ark’s scale is such that even Charles, the taxi driver who dropped me off there on Tuesday morning and had never heard of the Ark Encounter, despite living only twenty miles away, was impressed.

    “Wow,” he said as we pulled up at the ark’s port side. “That’s neat as hell.”

    The whole ship looks like something one might find at Ikea: smooth lines, minimal design and a baffling assembly method
    Neat is quite a good adjective for the ark’s exterior. It looks brand new and pristine. The pale yellow wood on its long hull – Radiata pine imported from New Zealand – brings to mind Ikea’s ubiquitous birch veneer furniture collection. In fact, the whole ship looks like something one might find at Ikea: smooth lines, minimal design and a baffling assembly method.

    Answers in Genesis got the details for the build from measurements written in Genesis 6, in which God tells Noah the ark should be “300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high”. A cubit is roughly the distance from your fingers to your elbow – you can buy a “Noah’s cubit” in the gift shop.

    Noah’s ark, according to Answers in Genesis, took between 55 to 75 years to build. Once it was constructed, Noah herded the world’s animals, two by two, into the bowels of his vessel, where he tended to them until the flood receded.

    The Ark Encounter comfortably beat Noah’s construction time, having been assembled in less than two years. It holds no livestock, but has models of various creatures stored in wooden cages.

    Creationists believe that rather than taking one of every modern species onboard the ark, Noah took ancestors of the animals we know today. According to this belief, the original ark would have held two early forms of canine, whose offspring developed into wolves, foxes, domestic dogs and other animals upon leaving the ark. As such, the model animals held on the Ark Encounter are approximations of what dogs’, cats’ and rhinos’ ancestors would have looked like.

    There’s a cat-type mammal that has a head like a lion but is about the size of a big house cat. There’s something that looks like a rhino but without the horn.

    And, given Answers in Genesis believes that dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time as man, there are also dinosaurs. Lots of them. There’s one which is akin to a brachiosaurus, with a long neck and tail. There’s one that looks like a stegosaurus, with spines on its back. There’s some sort of dwarf-T Rex, and a depressed-looking leathery-thing that might be related to a pterodactyl.

    The animals are stored across three levels inside the ark. Huge wooden columns – tree trunks harvested in Washington and Montana – support each floor. The stern of the ship is free of animal storage, allowing visitors to see the curvature of the craft’s hull, with huge beams holding pine planks in place.

    It succeeds in giving a sense of what it might have been like on the ark. Or on an old wooden ship.

    The seafarers’ accommodations look like something Roger Moore’s James Bond might blunder into on a jaunt to Morocco
    That impression is slightly spoiled by the presence of two Pepsi-branded refrigerators stocking a range of soft beverages, but – just as in Noah’s day – people do get thirsty.

    The ark, which cost around $100m to build, has been the subject of some controversy. Answers in Genesis was awarded a tax break, reportedly worth $18m, by the state of Kentucky, allowing it to recoup taxes on money made from visitors. The break was rescinded after it emerged Answers in Genesis would only hire Christian staff members, but the organisation sued and won.

    This June it also emerged that those wanting to work at the ark have to sign an agreement disavowing same-sex marriage and pre-marital sex. Staff and volunteers at the ark confirmed to the Guardian they had committed to the pledge.

    Ken Ham, president and co-founder of Answers in Genesis, defended the Christian-only policy at Tuesday’s media preview.

    “If you’re a religious organisation, you can have a religious preference in hiring. It makes sense. I can’t think of Planned Parenthood employing someone like me,” Ham said.

    “Besides which,” he said, “this is going to create jobs outside of the ark.”

    Answers in Genesis executives conducted interviews with the media on the third level of the ark, which, according to some accounts, is where the unclean animals were stored on the original. Thankfully, the top level of the Ark Encounter is instead home to a re-creation of the Noah family living quarters.

    In this modern-day interpretation, Noah and his sons live in surprising luxury. The imagined seafarers’ accommodations look like something Roger Moore’s James Bond might blunder into on a jaunt to Morocco, complete with wooden latticing, red curtains and soft lighting.

    To the rear of this soothing scene, Andrew Snelling, the organisation’s research geologist, sat down to chat. Snelling disputed the science that suggested the Earth is 4.5bn years old, citing testing Answers in Genesis had conducted.

    “I know I’m rowing against the tide,” he acknowledged. “And I’m regarded as not a real scientist because I believe in creation, I believe in the flood.”

    In this area of Kentucky, there is a particularly large number of fossils, Snelling said.

    “We’ve got limestone layers underneath the ark here and they’re full of marine fossils, clams, corals, those sort of shallow water marine invertebrates,” he said, which suggested that at some point there had been a global flood.

    “So if you think about it, today we’re a thousand feet above sea level and we’re 500 miles from the ocean.

    “Why aren’t the marine creatures buried in the oceans? That’s where they lived. But they’re actually buried up on the continents.”


    The thing I love most are all the crains and building material, the cost being over 100 million dollars, the vast number of workmen it took to build, and .. dinosaurs...

    However, there is one thing we haven't seen yet, why didn't old Hammy take the boat out for a water test to see if it could survive in a storm? Hmmm
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    Don't believe the pseudoscientific lies of evolutionists and darwinians.

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    " I can’t think of Planned Parenthood employing someone like me"

    I should think Planned Parenthood's principle concern is the objective ability to do your job, so this rubbish really doesn't hold water.

    Yet more reason why we shouldn't treat religious organisations as tax exempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...efing_c-US_d-1





    The thing I love most are all the crains and building material, the cost being over 100 million dollars, the vast number of workmen it took to build, and .. dinosaurs...

    However, there is one thing we haven't seen yet, why didn't old Hammy take the boat out for a water test to see if it could survive in a storm? Hmmm
    Why aren't marine creatures buried in the oceans? They are, we just don't go fucking digging on the ocean floor. How can someone be this stupid? You have to be extraordinarily idiotic to believe the Earth is LITERALLY 6000 years old. It's some kind of superhuman ability for ignorance that these people have.

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    "There was a biblical global flood..."
    "Global warming and rising sea levels are a myth..."

    Some people are walking around with both these of ideas in their head.

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    18m tax break for this shit? uh fucking bible belt nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Don't believe the pseudoscientific lies of evolutionists and darwinians.
    You're joking, right? Because evolution is science, so for it to be pseudoscience it'd have to not be itself.

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    A little hard to believe that guy is a geologist when he says something like this.

    “Why aren’t the marine creatures buried in the oceans? That’s where they lived. But they’re actually buried up on the continents.”
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    I don't believe in observational proof because I have arrived at the conclusion that such a thing doesn't exist.

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    I love the fact that there are dinosaurs on it.
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    I love the fact that people believe that 2 of every animal could fit onto that thing ...

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    Unless we keep this as a literature discussion. The fate of this thread is inevitably going Bye Bye, especially with the first word being God

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creamy Flames View Post
    You're joking, right? Because evolution is science, so for it to be pseudoscience it'd have to not be itself.
    It is not real science according to real scientists (YECs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    18m tax break for this shit? uh fucking bible belt nonsense.
    NFL is tax exempt as well, Both use Sundays as their Focus....coincidence?


    I think it is cool they interpreted the Ark story and brought the thing into reality.
    The religious end of it?


    Faith v. Proof/Science/objective reason...
    I like my stories with a larger helping of "proof" than religion can provide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creamy Flames View Post
    Why aren't marine creatures buried in the oceans? They are, we just don't go fucking digging on the ocean floor. How can someone be this stupid? You have to be extraordinarily idiotic to believe the Earth is LITERALLY 6000 years old. It's some kind of superhuman ability for ignorance that these people have.
    In the meanwhile they are driving their cars with millions of years old fossil fuels.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creamy Flames View Post
    You're joking, right? Because evolution is science, so for it to be pseudoscience it'd have to not be itself.
    Pretty sure that was sarcasm ;p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Don't believe the pseudoscientific lies of evolutionists and darwinians.
    I'm honestly not sure how people like you who believe in creationism are able to function in real life, being that it's based on literally nothing factual in anyway. Also kindly look up the definition of pseudoscience before trying to apply it wrongly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubious_doomhammer View Post
    Pretty sure that was sarcasm ;p
    I wouldn't count on it, when it comes from extreme conservatist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enragedgorilla View Post
    NFL is tax exempt as well, Both use Sundays as their Focus....coincidence?
    /reflecting nod
    true, at least the NFL can hide behind some excuse that a stadium brings jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    It is not real science according to real scientists (YECs).
    1/8 - very poor b8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assbandit View Post
    I'm honestly not sure how people like you who believe in creationism are able to function in real life, being that it's based on literally nothing factual in anyway. Also kindly look up the definition of pseudoscience before trying to apply it wrongly.
    You believe in creationism at some level.

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    1/8 - very poor b8.
    My b8 is not very poor.

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