What does Gul'dan need the nightwell for?

[WolfRider]

So, to resume the events chronologically :
- BC Period : Illidan plans to assault Mac'Aree (Kil'Jaeden's palace) on Argus using Sargeras Keystone after the discovery of the planet's coordinates on Nathreza.
- BC Period : Illidan sends his Demon Hunters on Mardum to steel the Sargeras Keystone.
- BC Period : Illidan is defeated at the Black Temple and the Demon Hunters come back successfully from Mardum. They are caught by A'dal forces and brought to the Vault of the Wardens by Maïev Shadowsong with Illidan's body and the Sargeras Keystone.
- WoD Period : Cordana Felsong, the Warden, falls under AU Gul'dan's control and joins the Shadow Council.
- WoD Period : AU Gul'dan succeed to take control of the main part of the Iron Hord that is standing in Tanaan Jungle.
- WoD Period : Before that success, Archimonde is sent by Kil'Jaeden to take the lead and prepare an invasion of Azeroth.
- WoD Period : Archimonde is killed by Draenor Heroes and sends AU Gul'dan to the Twisting Nether where other plans are waiting for him.
- Between WoD and Legion : AU Gul'dan is told about Illidan, the Pillars of Creation, the Sargeras Keystone and is briefed to prepare another Invasion.
- Between WoD and Legion : AU Gul'dan is sent to Azeroth with an army of demons to assault the Vault of the Wardens with Cordana Felsong's help.
- Between WoD and Legion : Maïev Shadowsong comes back to the Vault of the Wardens and witnesses the Legion's assault there.
- Between WoD and Legion : Maïev Shadowsong free the Demon Hunters and tell them to stop Gul'dan before it's too late.
- Between WoD and Legion : AU Gul'dan and Cordana Felsong get the Sargeras Keystone and Illidan's body and flee.
- Between WoD and Legion : Maëiv Shadowsong tells the Demon Hunters to find Kadghar.
- Between WoD and Legion : Magni Bronzebeard is awaken from his long sleep by Azeroth and starts to warn the Dwarves and alliance about the Legion's threat.
- Between WoD and Legion : AU Gul'dan uses Sargeras Keystone to open a huge gate to Argus at Tomb Of Sargeras location in the Broken Isles.
- Between WoD and Legion : A large Legion invasion begins all over Azeroth.
- Between WoD and Legion : Kadghar alerts Varian Wrynn about the Legion invasion located in the Broken Isles.
- Legion Period : Factions leaders call their heroes to attack the Broken Shores and push the Legion back.
- Legion Period : Factions are defeated and are back to their capitals, grieving their leaders and heroes.
- Legion Period : Kadghar summons you in Dalaran, that is relocated near Karazhan, to help him to introduce Hord into the council of Six. Brann Bronzebeard appears and invites you to Ulduar to speak to Magni Bronzebeard
- Legion Period : Magni Bronzebeard tells you about the Legion's threat and the Pillars of Creation. Then Kadghar is teleporting you to Karazhan to find informations about their location.
- Legion Period : In Karazhan, you find out that these Pillars are in the Broken Isles
- Legion Period : Kadghar summons you in Dalaran because the city is attacked by the Legion. You help him to relocate the city in the Broken Isles.
- Legion Period : Meanwhile, AU Gul'dan launches repeated attacks over Suramar to access the Nightwell, the most powerful source left on Azeroth.
- Legion Period : AU Gul'dan succeeds to enter Suramar and starts to use the Nightwell.
- Legion Period : Kadghar summons you to Dalaran in the Broken Isles and then start the Artifact & Order Class Hall questchains and then the leveling quests.
- Legion Period : You enter the NightHold in Suramar and finally fight Gul'dan that is using the Pillar of Creation located here, the Eye of Aman'Tul to summon Sargeras' soul into Illidan's body.

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he needs it because his character is old and dry and blizzard want to do anything to keep him relevant

[ryudaraku]

he needs it because his character is old and dry and blizzard want to do anything to keep him relevant

Pfft Gul'dan is the best bad guy we have gotten since WOTLK, Deathwing was a boring psycho, and Garrosh was Grom 2.0 with nothing interesting ab out him, and the less said about AU Grom the better.

[purebalance]

Pfft Gul'dan is the best bad guy we have gotten since WOTLK, Deathwing was a boring psycho, and Garrosh was Grom 2.0 with nothing interesting ab out him, and the less said about AU Grom the better.

What? This Guldan(AU) is possibly the worst. First of all logically he should be weaker than player characters warlocks just on the time he's been a warlock alone(we've been warlocks for like decades he's been a warlock for a handful of years). Also during that time he was also drained for a LONG time to power the dark portal along with Cho and Gorefiend. Then he consistently fails the Legion which is known to not tolerate failure and yet time after time he keeps getting put back into play (he failed to get the orcs to drink, he failed at holding the iron horde, he fails in the destro chain in legion).

[ryudaraku]

What? This Guldan(AU) is possibly the worst. First of all logically he should be weaker than player characters warlocks just on the time he's been a warlock alone(we've been warlocks for like decades he's been a warlock for a handful of years). Also during that time he was also drained for a LONG time to power the dark portal along with Cho and Gorefiend. Then he consistently fails the Legion which is known to not tolerate failure and yet time after time he keeps getting put back into play (he failed to get the orcs to drink, he failed at holding the iron horde, he fails in the destro chain in legion).

Never said it was a high bar, but Deathwing did literally nothing until the last patch, and Garrosh was one of the singularly worst written characters in the entirety of the setting.

Sure he "failed" at getting the Orcs to Drink..because of a Time Traveling Doucher named Garrosh who was brought to an alt timeline specifically suited for him to create the iron horde giving Grommash half a spirit vision, and mind you Mannaroth Who Knows what Happened with Grommash the first time around did -nothing- about this. It is not like..Gul'dan had a Super Assassin lady in the wings who could shove her daggers up Grom's rear end.

Then he consistently fails the Legion which is known to not tolerate failure

Yeah the Legion tolerates no Failure..like When Achimonde got blown up at the world tree..or that time that KJ got stuffed through the Sunwell. Or the time that Mannoroth got killed by the same guy in TWO DIFFERENT TIMELINES.

he failed at holding the iron horde

No, he held the Iron Horde. We just kicked their rear ends up and down the line..Including the Defiler. So Gul'dan did his job there..he Opened the black gate.

I can't say about the Destro Chain, I haven't seen it as of yet. Gimme an hour to check it out :P

Edit : Okay yeah the Destro Chain is a bit goofy..I have no idea what the hell that is about.

[purebalance]

Never said it was a high bar, but Deathwing did literally nothing until the last patch, and Garrosh was one of the singularly worst written characters in the entirety of the setting.

Sure he "failed" at getting the Orcs to Drink..because of a Time Traveling Doucher named Garrosh who was brought to an alt timeline specifically suited for him to create the iron horde giving Grommash half a spirit vision, and mind you Mannaroth Who Knows what Happened with Grommash the first time around did -nothing- about this. It is not like..Gul'dan had a Super Assassin lady in the wings who could shove her daggers up Grom's rear end.



Yeah the Legion tolerates no Failure..like When Achimonde got blown up at the world tree..or that time that KJ got stuffed through the Sunwell. Or the time that Mannoroth got killed by the same guy in TWO DIFFERENT TIMELINES.




No, he held the Iron Horde. We just kicked their rear ends up and down the line..Including the Defiler. So Gul'dan did his job there..he Opened the black gate.

I can't say about the Destro Chain, I haven't seen it as of yet. Gimme an hour to check it out :P

Edit : Okay yeah the Destro Chain is a bit goofy..I have no idea what the hell that is about.

You do realize that Archimonde and KJ are the de facto leaders of the Legion at the moment right? You claiming their failures as to exonerate Guldan is silly. That's like if your job's CEO fires you for incompetence and you say "Well I mean you lost us money last quarter!"

None of what you said is even correct or pertinent. Guldan is a piece of crap character.

Deathwing got his ass kicked by and kicked the ass of Alexstrasa in the TH final quests and needed to recover. If you paid attention to the game rather than your own headcanon you might understand things better.

[WolfRider]

You do realize that Archimonde and KJ are the de facto leaders of the Legion at the moment right? You claiming their failures as to exonerate Guldan is silly. That's like if your job's CEO fires you for incompetence and you say "Well I mean you lost us money last quarter!"

None of what you said is even correct or pertinent. Guldan is a piece of crap character.

Deathwing got his ass kicked by and kicked the ass of Alexstrasa in the TH final quests and needed to recover. If you paid attention to the game rather than your own headcanon you might understand things better.

Gul'dan is a pawn with potential that want to be King

[Androes]

Simple, to either summon the final boss of the last raid in Legion, or to have enough magic energy to make a larger portal that can bring more demons to Azeroth.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

You do realize that Archimonde and KJ are the de facto leaders of the Legion at the moment right? You claiming their failures as to exonerate Guldan is silly. That's like if your job's CEO fires you for incompetence and you say "Well I mean you lost us money last quarter!"

None of what you said is even correct or pertinent. Guldan is a piece of crap character.

Deathwing got his ass kicked by and kicked the ass of Alexstrasa in the TH final quests and needed to recover. If you paid attention to the game rather than your own headcanon you might understand things better.

Just because they lose doesn't mean they are weak or anything. Also even a warlock who has spent only a few years being more powerful then the player isn't crazy, talent and such exists.

[Ealyssa]

Pretty sure its KJ.

Just this. Its either KJ or a new avatar of Sargeras. That's the only two option we have really.

[ryudaraku]

You do realize that Archimonde and KJ are the de facto leaders of the Legion at the moment right? You claiming their failures as to exonerate Guldan is silly. That's like if your job's CEO fires you for incompetence and you say "Well I mean you lost us money last quarter!"

None of what you said is even correct or pertinent. Guldan is a piece of crap character.

Deathwing got his ass kicked by and kicked the ass of Alexstrasa in the TH final quests and needed to recover. If you paid attention to the game rather than your own headcanon you might understand things better.

Except that..They aren't the leaders of the Legion. Sargereas is -active- he was the voice in the Wrathgate Quests, and you were saying "His Failures" they were not HIS failures, and again you don't actually talk about the content of what I said. In what sane scenario is "Garrosh, Kaiorz and Wraithion showing up in a timeline that two of them specifically choose as being perfect for Garrosh to manipulate" Gul'dans fault? How was Mannoroth who personally knew that Grommash was not trustworthy not DOING ANYTHING about Grommash Gul'dan's fault? How was Archimonde The Defiler getting his ass Whumped by Azerothian Heroes WHO HAD DONE IT BEFORE Gul'dan's fault?

Blaming Gul'dan on any of that is like Blaming an HR person for a CEO's direction for the company.

Deathwing got in ONE FIGHT OFFSCREEN such a great badguy.

If you paid attention to the game rather than your own headcanon you might understand things better.

Pfft I do pay attention that is why I don't need to use buzzphrases like "If you paid attention" or "Headcannon" in my arguments.

[Termosen]

Yeah that makes sence to me.... but if thats the way its going to be im X-hyped

[jon234]

So, to resume the events chronologically :
- BC Period : Illidan plans to assault Mac'Aree (Kil'Jaeden's palace) on Argus using Sargeras Keystone after the discovery of the planet's coordinates on Nathreza.
- BC Period : Illidan sends his Demon Hunters on Mardum to steel the Sargeras Keystone.
- BC Period : Illidan is defeated at the Black Temple and the Demon Hunters come back successfully from Mardum. They are caught by A'dal forces and brought to the Vault of the Wardens by Maïev Shadowsong with Illidan's body and the Sargeras Keystone.
- WoD Period : Cordana Felsong, the Warden, falls under AU Gul'dan's control and joins the Shadow Council.
- WoD Period : AU Gul'dan succeed to take control of the main part of the Iron Hord that is standing in Tanaan Jungle.
- WoD Period : Before that success, Archimonde is sent by Kil'Jaeden to take the lead and prepare an invasion of Azeroth.
- WoD Period : Archimonde is killed by Draenor Heroes and sends AU Gul'dan to the Twisting Nether where other plans are waiting for him.
- Between WoD and Legion : AU Gul'dan is told about Illidan, the Pillars of Creation, the Sargeras Keystone and is briefed to prepare another Invasion.
- Between WoD and Legion : AU Gul'dan is sent to Azeroth with an army of demons to assault the Vault of the Wardens with Cordana Felsong's help.
- Between WoD and Legion : Maïev Shadowsong comes back to the Vault of the Wardens and witnesses the Legion's assault there.
- Between WoD and Legion : Maïev Shadowsong free the Demon Hunters and tell them to stop Gul'dan before it's too late.
- Between WoD and Legion : AU Gul'dan and Cordana Felsong get the Sargeras Keystone and Illidan's body and flee.
- Between WoD and Legion : Maëiv Shadowsong tells the Demon Hunters to find Kadghar.
- Between WoD and Legion : Magni Bronzebeard is awaken from his long sleep by Azeroth and starts to warn the Dwarves and alliance about the Legion's threat.
- Between WoD and Legion : AU Gul'dan uses Sargeras Keystone to open a huge gate to Argus at Tomb Of Sargeras location in the Broken Isles.
- Between WoD and Legion : A large Legion invasion begins all over Azeroth.
- Between WoD and Legion : Kadghar alerts Varian Wrynn about the Legion invasion located in the Broken Isles.
- Legion Period : Factions leaders call their heroes to attack the Broken Shores and push the Legion back.
- Legion Period : Factions are defeated and are back to their capitals, grieving their leaders and heroes.
- Legion Period : Kadghar summons you in Dalaran, that is relocated near Karazhan, to help him to introduce Hord into the council of Six. Brann Bronzebeard appears and invites you to Ulduar to speak to Magni Bronzebeard
- Legion Period : Magni Bronzebeard tells you about the Legion's threat and the Pillars of Creation. Then Kadghar is teleporting you to Karazhan to find informations about their location.
- Legion Period : In Karazhan, you find out that these Pillars are in the Broken Isles
- Legion Period : Kadghar summons you in Dalaran because the city is attacked by the Legion. You help him to relocate the city in the Broken Isles.
- Legion Period : Meanwhile, AU Gul'dan launches repeated attacks over Suramar to access the Nightwell, the most powerful source left on Azeroth.
- Legion Period : AU Gul'dan succeeds to enter Suramar and starts to use the Nightwell.
- Legion Period : Kadghar summons you to Dalaran in the Broken Isles and then start the Artifact & Order Class Hall questchains and then the leveling quests.
- Legion Period : You enter the NightHold in Suramar and finally fight Gul'dan that is using the Pillar of Creation located here, the Eye of Aman'Tul to summon Sargeras' soul into Illidan's body.

is that last part even confirmed? we know he has the eye of aman'thul and hes using the nightwell to summon his master but nothing else has been told or confirmed if you read the dungeon journal

[WolfRider]

is that last part even confirmed? we know he has the eye of aman'thul and hes using the nightwell to summon his master but nothing else has been told or confirmed if you read the dungeon journal

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=110533/guldan#comments

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=110533/guldan#encounter

[FelPlague]

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=110533/guldan#comments

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=110533/guldan#encounter

thats fake you know that right? its a paraody of arthas...

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What? This Guldan(AU) is possibly the worst. First of all logically he should be weaker than player characters warlocks just on the time he's been a warlock alone(we've been warlocks for like decades he's been a warlock for a handful of years). Also during that time he was also drained for a LONG time to power the dark portal along with Cho and Gorefiend. Then he consistently fails the Legion which is known to not tolerate failure and yet time after time he keeps getting put back into play (he failed to get the orcs to drink, he failed at holding the iron horde, he fails in the destro chain in legion).

he is empowered by kiljaden and sargeras themselves... so no hes much more powerfu lten us... also our chars have only been warlocks for a decade, he has been for about a decade aswell and the legion have failed him many times aswell, bringing archimonde in, not helping him in the real guldan, and failing to defend him well he summons sargeras...

also he may have failled summoning aargeras during the destro chain, but the portal had still been empowered

[Tart]

Deathwing should have been the boss before the final boss. Its an absolute tragedy how Blizzard brought this great lore character into a joke of a boss.

Dragon aspects may aswell be wiped out now.

[FelPlague]

You do realize that Archimonde and KJ are the de facto leaders of the Legion at the moment right? You claiming their failures as to exonerate Guldan is silly. That's like if your job's CEO fires you for incompetence and you say "Well I mean you lost us money last quarter!"

None of what you said is even correct or pertinent. Guldan is a piece of crap character.

Deathwing got his ass kicked by and kicked the ass of Alexstrasa in the TH final quests and needed to recover. If you paid attention to the game rather than your own headcanon you might understand things better.

except guldan SUMMONED ARCHIMONDE IN, AND ARCHIMONDE STILL DIED, NOTHING TO DO WITH GULDAN

guldan did his job, he suceeded, he summoned archimonde, archimonde is the one who failed

[Balinus]

So he is summoning Sargeras huh

[purebalance]

except guldan SUMMONED ARCHIMONDE IN, AND ARCHIMONDE STILL DIED, NOTHING TO DO WITH GULDAN

guldan did his job, he suceeded, he summoned archimonde, archimonde is the one who failed

No he DID NOT summon him. He opened a portal using the residual energy of the dark portal to our Azeroth that was closed. Go please quest again.

Guldan failed by the sheer fact that his army failed to keep us out and he did nothing to help during the fight.

Also read/listen to the audio that came out today. Kiljaeden agrees with me. Sorry Charley.

[Lastlivingsoul]

Not to over think it, but I think I conclude that Gul'dan wants the power himself, but it would seem that he has need for it to achieve his ends.

You just did man. Play the broken record.

Archimonde: Hey Wizard!

Kel'Thuzad: Who'dat? I mean ... Yes M'Lord.

Archimonde: Go invade that elf city, defile that Pool of Magical energy and open a Portal to bring me into their world!!!

Kel'Thuzad: They'll never see it coming

(Years later)

Kil'Jaeden: Hey Wizard!!

Kael'Thas: Who'dat? I mean .. Yes M'Lord.

Kiljaden: Go invade that elf city, defile that Pool of Magical energy and open a Portal to bring me into their world!!!

Kael'Thas: You mean my city ... again? Well it worked the last time ... right?

(Years later in the Nether)

Archimonde: Hey Wizard!

Gul'Dan: ...

Archimonde: We had a PACT!