Game key reseller G2A moves to legitimise its business

[Tech614]

Naw been doing it for a couple years now. Maybe not all stores do it yet or some workers just forget.

I know here in my state (kentucky) every single gamestop I have gone to does it now. There is a couple stores that know me on a first name basis and yet I still get it.

It's whatever the state law is for pawnshops as gamestop has to adhere to the same laws as them. Maybe he lives in some weird ass state with lax laws but I have traded in games in 5 different states and all have at least IDed me if not finger printed. California, Michigan and the Indiana/Ohio/Kentucky tri state area.

[Jtbrig7390]

It's whatever the state law is for pawnshops as gamestop has to adhere to the same laws as them. Maybe he lives in some weird ass state with lax laws but I have traded in games in 5 different states and all have at least IDed me if not finger printed. California, Michigan and the Indiana/Ohio/Kentucky tri state area.

I'm special I get both the ID and the finger print

[axell]

Ok so you need a form of ID and in someplaces you have a trading limit ( not in the UK with CEX though - which is a huge chain that only has second-hand games,phones,consoles,movies etc.) I traded in 10 brand new unsealed uncharted 4 and 1 doom and they did not mention anything about a trading limit and i only needed my id and got paid in cash. Which based on the first post is what G2A plans to be doing ( enforce a sell limit and more identity checks ) which would bring it in line with any used game shop from my point of view and any further complains should be directed at all the used game stores for console games as well if you want to continue doing that.

Technically it would make used game stores worse because while a reseller might have bought a key cheaper from russia only one person gets to use that key in the end while for used console games 10 ore more people that might or might not have bought the game otherwise ( impossible to tell ) are using that game without giving anything to the developer besides the first one who purchased.

So bottom line is a reseller at G2A purchases 1 key cheap and sells it to one guy , thus giving money to the dev ( albeit a lower about because he bought it from russia or a bundle and so on ), a used game store can and will sell that same game 10 times over without giving anything to the original dev ( Cex for example was buying uncharted 4 for 36 and selling it for 48 gbp so players would buy it, play it,resell it back to cex and cex would sell it back to another player and so on so they would make 12 gbp profit for each transaction and exactly 0% of that would be going to the dev besides the initial purchase which can be fraudulent as well since it's not an easy thing to check ). Again i gave CeX as an example because they re the biggest in the UK but Game.co.uk does it as well and i'm not really sure the fact that it's a first party supplier has that much relevance since you can trade in a game bought anywhere to them , not just from Game.

Anyway the secondhand game market is a strange place with pros and cons and people praising and demonising it as well but it is here to stay as long as the games are cheap and they work which is all that people care about ( which is fair )

[Jtbrig7390]

So bottom line is a reseller at G2A purchases 1 key cheap and sells it to one guy , thus giving money to the dev.

What part of sells on G2A do not go to the dev do people like you not understand?

Your whole post has been debuked in this thread alone already.

[axell]

What part of sells on G2A do not go to the dev do people like you not understand?

Your whole post has been debuked in this thread alone already.

The reseller HAD to buy his key in order to sell it. Keys don't appear out of thin air. How is it that hard to comprehend? Excluding credit card fraud, a legit key was bought at one point and NOT used and then resold on G2A ( maybe the reseller bought it directly from the supplier in russia for half price or maybe he bought it from a guy that bought it from another guy and so on ) . But since steam keys can only be used once , it's still the same principle. For every key sold on G2A there was 1 purchase from a legit source ( excluding the small percentage of fraud ). Sure the purchase could have been from russia or from a sale or from a bundle but still the dev did get SOME money at one point for each transaction on G2A barring the fraudulent ones. What more is there to say? It's true the devs get less money but unless fraud is involved to did get some money at one point from each key sold by G2A unless all of them were stolen.

Which is even better for the devs from my pov than buying used console games because while 10-20 users can buy the same used console games and only the initial cost is given to the developer, on sites like G2A each key can only be activated once by the end user.

[Jtbrig7390]

Which is even better for the devs from my pov than buying used console games because while 10-20 users can buy the same used console games and only the initial cost is given to the developer, on sites like G2A each key can only be activated once by the end user.

In order for a new game to be used it must first be sold new. On top of that you can't prove someone would have ever bough that game new. So like pirating you can't prove a loss of sell.

But people selling stolen keys is a 100% net loss even if they do a charge back. G2A does NOTHING to stop people from selling stolen keys on there site.

But like I said this has all been explained already.

[axell]

In order for a new game to be used it must first be sold new. On top of that you can't prove someone would have ever bough that game new. So like pirating you can't prove a loss of sell.

But people selling stolen keys is a 100% net loss even if they do a charge back. G2A does NOTHING to stop people from selling stolen keys on there site.

But like I said this has all been explained already.

And there is nothing stopping someone from stealing a game ( through chargebacks) and trading it in at gamestop .So you have zero guarantee when buying a used PS 4 game that it was purchased legit that you have at G2A from my point of view.

And in the previous post you said that the devs see nothing from the sales of G2A ,which they do at one point unless the sale is fraudulent.

And you started the post with : Game key reseller G2A moves to legitimise its business. So they obviously are starting to DO SOMETHING to stop people from selling stolen keys. And based on the article it's a much as any other used game reseller does ( impose a limit and add a form of ID ) so at this point it's equal.

So the bottom line is ,NOW with the changes it implemented G2A is no different from any used game store where you can trade it and buy used games. I might be missing something but i can't see the difference.

[Jtbrig7390]

And there is nothing stopping someone from stealing a game ( through chargebacks) and trading it in at gamestop .So you have zero guarantee when buying a used PS 4 game that it was purchased legit that you have at G2A from my point of view.

The level of stupid in this post is just something special.

You have clearly proven you don't have a clue about the topic at hand. Want to blindly defend G2A go ahead that's ur choice. But at lease know half of what your talking about.

So the bottom line is ,NOW with the changes it implemented G2A is no different from any used game store where you can trade it and buy used games. I might be missing something but i can't see the difference.

No the bottom line is you don't know what the fuck your talking about. This has already been debuked in this thread alone feel free to read it because I am tired of repeating myself.

Defend G2A all you wish but don't be ignorant about it.

There is a massive difference in G2A and Gamestop. For one Gamestop doesn't allow the sell of used keys nore do they allow refunds on digital sells at all. You would be hardpressed to get a charge back on that sell.

Second with G2A the chargeback's is coming from the company's whos keys was stolen. So even if somehow you could do it with gamestop it would fall on gamestop's head not publishers. Since gamestop has already paided them for the sell of that key.

That is the short of it. Like I said its clear you don't have a fucken clue so educate yourself on the matter at hand before speaking.

Please post respectfully. Infracted. -Edge

[axell]

The level of stupid in this post is just something special.

You have clearly proven you don't have a clue about the topic at hand. Want to blindly defend G2A go ahead that's ur choice. But at lease know half of what your talking about.

That's just silly and rude. I will ignore that since it has no relevance to the topic at hand.

No the bottom line is you don't know what the fuck your talking about. This has already been debuked in this thread alone feel free to read it because I am tired of repeating myself.

Defend G2A all you wish but don't be ignorant about it.

Again same as above.

There is a massive difference in G2A and Gamestop. For one Gamestop doesn't allow the sell of used keys nore do they allow refunds on digital sells at all. You would be hardpressed to get a charge back on that sell.

Second with G2A the chargeback's is coming from the company's whos keys was stolen. So even if somehow you could do it with gamestop it would fall on gamestop's head not publishers. Since gamestop has already paided them for the sell of that key.

That is the short of it. Like I said its clear you don't have a fucken clue so educate yourself on the matter at hand before speaking.

I didn't know you could sell used keys on g2a either. Must me something new. And second of all i'm talking about used physical game trading because you can't sell used steam keys.

It doesn't matter who suffers. It's the same principle. You buy a game digital or physical from a store or from a developer. The question is how much responsibility does the store that resells your product to check it's legitimacy. I think G2A putting as much effort into verifing the resellers as the second hand physical game ones do ( id check and a monthly limit ) is enough. What more do you actually want , besides killing the reselling of digital game keys , which should mean killing the resale of physical games as well.

As I said I do use G2A for both selling and buying games and I will continue to do so for as long as it offers the products i need dirt cheap so that's not the issue. The issue is that i'm having a hard time actually understanding the problem with G2A now that it's taken steps to get in line with other similar stores for non digital keys. What's the issue now? What should G2A actually do? Demand a receipt, my family history , my credit card , shoe size and a full background check everytime i want to sell one ofthe dozens of leftover keys i have from buying bundles?

[Jtbrig7390]

It doesn't matter who suffers. It's the same principle. You buy a game digital or physical from a store or from a developer. The question is how much responsibility does the store that resells your product to check it's legitimacy.

No it isn't

As I said I do use G2A for both selling and buying games

and this is why your blindly defending them. Its all been explained and your ignoring it because it lines ur pocket.

[axell]

No it isn't

and this is why your blindly defending them. Its all been explained and your ignoring it because it lines ur pocket.

Probably made about 50 dollars in total over a couple of years so lots of money lined my pockets from it.

But please explain what is your crusade against G2A about besides for chargebacks that some assholes use to steal and resell games on G2A. Because we can all agree that that's bad and the guys that do that should be held responsible. But besides curbing this practice through monthly limits and ID checks on sellers which it will start doing, what is the purpose of the hate towards that site and others like it? That's what I don't get.

[Jtbrig7390]

Probably made about 50 dollars in total over a couple of years so lots of money lined my pockets from it.

But please explain what is your crusade against G2A about besides for chargebacks that some assholes use to steal and resell games on G2A. Because we can all agree that that's bad and the guys that do that should be held responsible. But besides curbing this practice through monthly limits and ID checks on sellers which it will start doing, what is the purpose of the hate towards that site and others like it? That's what I don't get.

My issue with G2A is they allow sells of stolen goods, The only protection they give consumers is if they pay for it (unlike places like amaon,ebay,gamestop) and developers recieve no funds from g2a sells.

Its also a bitch to cancel ur membership with them. They do no background checks on sellers. Anyone can make a account and sell on there within 5mins.

G2A should be held responsible for all sells on there site and there not unlike the sites I listed above. They shake by because they are located in china.

[caervek]

If a wannabe Steam store that specialises in stuff that's cheap because it's stolen or acquired fraudulently is going legit, doesn't that mean it's going out of business? lol.

It worked so well for Napster XD

[Jtbrig7390]

If a wannabe Steam store that specialises in stuff that's cheap because it's stolen or acquired fraudulently is going legit, doesn't that mean it's going out of business? lol.

It worked so well for Napster XD

The funny part is the fact G2A has made a statment that they plan to legitimize there sells more, just fucken proves they know the bullshit they allow to go on. How anyone can defend them at this point after they are admitting there system is fucked is beyond me.

[Tech614]

And there is nothing stopping someone from stealing a game ( through chargebacks) and trading it in at gamestop .So you have zero guarantee when buying a used PS 4 game that it was purchased legit that you have at G2A from my point of view.

Yea good luck with using stolen CCs to commit fraud and then have a traceable tracks of games being shipped to your address and then sold to gamestop.

Did you even stop to think before you typed this?

[Deleted]

Just going to leave this here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/co...e_g2a_monthly/

Yeah, g2a isn't shady at all.

[Vespian]

Just going to leave this here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/co...e_g2a_monthly/

Yeah, g2a isn't shady at all.

Holy fuck, that's quite a massive amount of darkness. That's not grey, that's black. Black souls that is.

I still defend the principles of business. I defend the fact that without creditcard fraud, these sales dó compensate the developers, albeit less, obviously. My suggestion still is, to fix credit card fraud. In an age where multi factor authentication is the norm, we can do without Credit Cards as they are. The problem, obviously, is America, in which basically every child is born with a credit card in hand. In Europe you only get a CC on request, so we're not actually using them as the primary way of life. Perhaps that skews my perception of the issue a bit.

Either way, the above quote shows that G2A is definitely extremely shady and perhaps we should be talking purely about G2A as a dark company. I still stand firmly behind and beside reselling as a business practice though, hopefully competing at a level where, legally, they can equalize prices to a more acceptable retail level.

[Remilia]

This is the best one.

[Karon]

This is the best one.

Oh my god.

That's just like what every phone carrier does :O

HOW DARE THEY!

[Remilia]

Oh my god.

That's just like what every phone carrier does :O

HOW DARE THEY!

Umm... when did phone carriers do trials?
More often than not there's a two week period that you can cancel your contract and your subsidized phone but just a restocking fee is payed instead of the early termination fee for contracts.